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Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1399 09/04/02 06:37 PM
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AINTD, you are correct in saying that men and women are different. We most certainly have different physical body parts. It is unfair to shove everyone..men and women alike into a box that does been proven time and again that does not fit everyone. Some women are large and agressive and some men are frail and emotional. People are far too complex for the rigid lines you set.

Now you mention that you feel things are going along smoothly. Funny that you should feel that way when women partially run the governments of many major countries. I think we are far less likely today to make rash judgements.

You point out that history does not offer many noteable women. I believe that the cause for this is opinions like your own. Women were not allowed to do many of the things we are all free to do today. Do you think history books really want to print stories about the mother who nursed her dying child, the woman who made sacrificies so her children had clothing and an education. History books are centered on inventions, discoveries, and wars...things women were barred from. The few who did were truly memorable because they had to battle a society to get where they were.

Now let's focus on those emotions that women have. Men operate from them as well. It is often more excuseable when it is labeled adrenaline, agression, arrogance, pride,loyalty or passion. A woman's tears are ridiculed while men's emotions emotions are given respect and honorable badges.

You say you wish not to offend or disrespect yet you believe in and encourage undervaluing women. Men and women can rejoice in their differences and come together in a unified effort..be it for marriage, in the work force or for their governments when opinions like yours are dead and buried in the past where they belong.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1400 09/04/02 06:52 PM
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OK, this is a kind of hate thread now and I'm in its center.

// To Jessica, Art History & Mythology:

I'm afraid my english is not good enough, but according to my modest knowledge, "law firm" is the place for lawyers and lawyers' speciality is to know the law and to know how to interpret it, not how to make one. The fact that a woman can make a big deal of money is irrelevant, I never said she could not. By BIG business, I meant other level of companies. Levels at which people kill, betray, spy and do anything to keep on going. I strongly believe, that place is not for normal women such as your mother. So, no contradiction here.

This is a good one. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Kick boxing seems to me a bit diffrent from boxing. Boxing is where people usually end up lying in a pool of blood and die at 50 years. Women do all sorts of martial arts fighting, don't they? - Have nothing against that. Were you lifting 200kg at college? If not, then I meant the other "weigthlifting", where people break bones and tear all inside of them. Not nice nor good for women to be here.

I'm not saying that men are insensitive. They can be more sensitive that women. I'm saying that they know when they should and not be sensitive. Women usually are sensitive by nature without control. Besides, it is known from long ago that there are exceptions from any rule, which only confirm this rule.

Maybe a little bit bad example about artistic gymnastics. Anyway, it has misslead you to a false conclusion. Artistic gymnastics is when girls frow all kind of objects into the air, bend themselves beyonf the point of imagination and all that kind of things. They do that, men don't. It's just not for the sport for men. This sport would really look good if men were in it. That was the point. I do enjoy watching ice-skating, so, please, don't think that the idea of a man dancing is alien to me.

I haven't said that if women are extremely good at one thing (giving birth), they must be absolutely bad in all other aspects, that is be stupid, did I? You're really mixing up the facts. Men can be sensitive and men can love children, in fact, they usually do as much as mothers.

Another missinterpretation is that no women should be in the government, ofcourse they should. They should be doing what is true to their nature. And I have mentioned quite a few areas, haven't I? But to see a woman as minister of defense (or whatever this position is called in USA) ... or as minister of foreign affairs, that's just not good for the country and for all other women too.

Last but not least ... your reply was overfilled with emotions from my point of view. You just prefer to put yourself in an offensive stance than trully listen to the points I've mentioned.

Once again, no offence meant. I consider this to be dialogue ... a debate if you wish. Not small-scale war.

// To Terrie_Bittner:

I really hope the book you were reading is not by an American author, if not, it was a waste of time.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1401 09/04/02 06:56 PM
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About cars...my husband's approach is to just pick what looks good if he sees something that attracts him. I prefer to research for weeks in advance of going on a pricing spree then researching what we found then selecting the best option for us.

My husband turned over the researching for our last vehicle to me since he does not enjoy reading car reviews or having long discussions about them. We are satisfied with our two door Jeep Cherokee Sport. I think we should updgrade to a newer 4 door in a year or two though.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1402 09/04/02 07:14 PM
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XLadyRogue, good approach from you. Car is not a box of chocolates you buy, eat and throw away, or throw away without eating if you don't like it. Buying a car is substantial investment which if approached not seriously enough can lead to problems and disappointment.

I do enjoy reading cars reviews and tests from time to time, even if no upcoming purchase is on my mind. It's just interesting to me.

The good-looking car is important. I believe that NO matter how good the car is on technical side, it should not be bought if it is plain ugly.

Why do you like the off-roaders so much? Do you really go THAT often to a country side? I mean, in USA there lots and lots of huge cars on high base (often the GM products <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ).

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1403 09/04/02 07:17 PM
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To AINTD:

Fancy gymnastics and the like have men as well as women participating in the US.

As for barring women from big business because many women may not be able to handle corporate espionage, the US tends to frown on spying and killing in the business world. I don't think the majority of US executives exchange their suits and ties for the assasin's garb on Friday nights.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1404 09/04/02 07:38 PM
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To AINTD:

There were several reasons why I thought a Jeep or something similar would be best for us:

We have a friend who has been trained to work on certain types of vehicles. We trust him to do work on our vehicles and he only charges us for parts. My husband does work on his computer or sattelite television equipment in trade. We wanted to get something our friend is able to work on easily.

The vehicle had to be both a family one and be functional for work. A car would have been cheaper than a Jeep but my husband could not get his tools into a car and his ladders would not have fit well on top. We did consider pick-up trucks but I really detest trucks and the Jeep I found was at a better price than any of the trucks. It has also surprised us by being better on fuel useage than we expected.

The US has a large variety of land types. We live in a country like area close to the coast. That means we are wet and muddy. From my front door,I look up at the road! My husband has to be able to get out of our yard even on rainy days and sometimes he is working in areas as bad as our yard and even worse.

Finally, Jeeps are nice looking vehicles. I prefer the older box style though. I belive they stopped making those in the mid 90's, ahh well.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1405 09/04/02 07:39 PM
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XLadyRogue, haven't noticed your reply regarding the delicate issue at first.

Starting from the end of it, I really do not mean disrespect or offense to women. And I do not underestimate their abilities. Life would be complete ... well, you know what ... without women.

Of course things are going along MORE or LESS smoothly, since everyone minds his/her own business. Put a woman in charge of Pentagon and a man in charge of (let see ... what men can really be bad at ...) ... let's say a finance minister in charge of underprivileged teens problem. And you'll get the things wrong.

As I said ... there are exception from each rule which only CONFIRM the existence of this very rule.

As for the lack of historic point-outs of women' courage ... people can't really write books on everything, can they. History books are dedicated to major scale important events. So, it's just the way things are in this department. Not many women who did something really important. If there was some sort of science studying "individual acts of courage" ... not from the point of view of importance to all the world, but from the point of view of an outstanding personality of some person, then of course there woulf be many women there.

Emotions ... careful here ... I never said that women' tears are bad. Not at all. I'm talking about uncontrolled bursts of anger which is more true to a woman's nature that it is to a man's. Women can be really cruel ... a lot more than men. Really cruel and very smart (in a bad sence of word, not intelligent but with predators' instincts) ... yet, this woman will look as a normal one to anyone. Watch any movie (produced in Hollywood by the way) and in 90% of cases, all the big problems arise because of women ... So, it's not reasonable, to put a woman in control of something real "big" ... There are many masculine a**ho*** ... but they are visible to an eye ... you can almost always predict them ... Men, usually are just not capable of uncontrollabe bursts of anger or eny other emotion. I have said many words ... I do not know whether they have delivered the point I meant.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1406 09/04/02 07:44 PM
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I see ... USA is trully big and yes, an off-roader is an appropriate choice. It kinf of funny to see a guy here driving an off-roader, while there is no real need for it. You can hardly find a place where only an off-roader would pass. Here, Jeep Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are fairly popular. Some Ford models as well. Plenty of Japanese off-roaders.

Re: Nobody likes cars or what? #1407 09/04/02 07:48 PM
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yes I am emotional when someone expresses an opinion that could lead to women being oppressed. I am not ashamed of my emotions.

What makes you think that "espionage" is only on the corporate level? First of all, my mother's office is one that deals with handling the problems that arise from "corporate america". She is right in the middle of trying to repair the damage that most of her clients have done to themselves! (and yes, I am refering to both male and female clients)

And gymnastics being only for women? I take it you have never seen cirque de solei. ( lots of male gymnasts)

I do find this attitude offensive, only because you have given no real reason why women should be banned from positions of authority, only archaic stereotypes! I have listened to your position, I considered your points, and I am not agreeing with it. Sorry, give me a real reason, and I'll be more than happy to consider it, but claiming that a person is not capable of filling a business office because of their sex is ridiculous! That's like me saying that men only think with their groin, and therefore are unsuited to making any real decisions.

Phew! now that I've said my shpiell.. anyone know of a reliable van that has good gas mileage? I need one to transport my booth ( I thought about a truck, but it's just not tall enough, and I have lots of loose papers). We thought about getting a caravan, but I heard that they've been having tranie problems.

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To AINTD:

You have implied that women's emotions are a negative thing while saying that men's emotions are acceptable. I am not sure where you are but in my experience, men are as likely to have emotional outbursts as women.

For an example, I know of far more men who seek anger managment help than women. Based on this, I could ask, which would you prefer...a man who might loose his temper and become destructive making governmental decisions or a woman who might cry with compassion or when hurt?

I would hope that anyone, be it man or woman who is in charge of a nation's fate would be a self disciplined individual.

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