I did my lane stitch project onto chamois - yes, the car detailing leather. It's soft & pliable, yet very thin & easy to find. Normally brain-tanned leather is used & the needle does not go all the way through the material. Don't even want to count how many needles I broke doing my project. The #15 needles I used with the size 16/o seed beads were very thin & brittle. They had a tendency to break with little force & at incovenient times. This wasn't made any easier by going completely through the leather & pulling the beeswax laden threads.