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#354155 11/14/07 04:47 PM
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I'm at a loss with my son. There are very few programs available to him. Our school board enables gifted children in Grade 4 to enroll in a gifted and talented program. Which I was looking forward to until teachers started thinking he had ADD and the school provided him with a psycho educational assessment after which we were told there is no formal program and they will do their best with an individualized planned program.

At the age of 7 he was verbally 16 years old, and reading at a 12 year old level. Problem was when it came to writing he was at a 6 year old level. There were 66 points between his verbal/visual scores and his processing scores.

Anyone else have a child like this? What works best for a child like this?

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Carennedy-

Wow! 66 points is a huge discrepancy. One of my kids had a 40 point spread the first time he was tested, which changed to a more moderate 20+ point gap two years later. He has been identified as having ADD (inattentive type), dysgraphia, and a visual processing issue. I have read that in one expert's opinion that anything more than a ten point differential may signify a learning disability or other issue.

Homeschooling has been working great for us.

What instruments were used to assess your son? Do you feel they did a good job? It sounds like he is at least highly gifted. Please tell us more about his school and how content he is with his current situation. I'd love to help, but I'm not clear on how things stand presently.

best wishes-

Lorel



I think it must be really tough to have such disparate skills.

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hi - just to say dont give up - my daghters 22 now but struggled with dyspraxia - i support my kids public schooling with homeschooling too!

hi from new short stories ed
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ps - just had a brainwave - i wrote an article on helping these kids by using stories!

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Hi there. I have a gifted son (6 y/o) and am an OT who works with kids. From both personal and professional experience, I'd like to point out to you that having verbal skills so advanced is gifted, but that having writing skills of a 6 y/o when you are seven is NOT actually a disability. Sounds to me like a child is actually pretty average (or slightly below) in one skill and wonderfully, amazingly advanced in another - that's what is called asynchronous development. Gifted doesn't necessariy mean gifted in everything. You can't necessarily expect that he will be able to physcially be able to produce written work like a 16 year old, just because he thinks like one.

So, why are they doing an IEP for him? To accomodate the high intellect side in spite of his average writing skills? Or do they feel that his writing is a disability? Seems to me that he should be getting work at school that is advanced in verbal skill areas where he excels, but with accomodation for his age-level writing skills. Try using voice activated word processing so he can create stories, try a scribe so he can dictate stories or written work. Let him do things orally instead of writing.

And how confident and happy are you with the school's assessment of him? Can you consider private evaluation by a specialist in giftedness? Perhaps the interpretation would be different coming from someone outside the school who is more experienced in dealing with such asynchronous development.

I think the good news is that unless he is not continuing to develop his handwriting skills, then the handwriting will eventually catch up. But if he has been assessed with dysgraphia, dyspraxia or some other disability that interferes with development, then you should pursue intervention to assist as well as accomodation.
Just my opinion. HTH.

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Hi all - this is controversial But as a parent/qualified teacher with 22 years experience of bringing up a child with specific learning needs, (and Teen Counselling expertise) - I would forget about the writing! (for now)

I have written several articles on this subject, and a recent one on using stories with gifted/special children, where I mention that this phenomenon seems to affect boys more than girls. I am at present utoring a "Gifted and Talented" 9 year old who struggles for 10 minutes just to write 1 sentence. Yet he converses with me like a learned professor!

I would be happy to help where I can. The reason I say forget the writing is that in a year or two, actual physical writing wont matter. He may be doing all his work on a keyboard! Get him a laptop, have him message his friends under supervision, and plough in as much culture,music, and literature that you can while his skills are picking up. Maybe try a typing course and use lots and lots of tapes and stories about history,battles, famous people etc. get Pop star/sport biographies from the Library. My 8 yr old is 3 yrs ahead with his reading from a very reluctant start. How did I do it? Simpsons comics!! Its true! he is addicted to comics and they require a different set of visual technical skills.

Sorry to rattle on but this is my passion!(I run Coaching Corner Homework Services and Tutoring) I will have a look at the GTs site (that's what they call these kids over here)

Hope you get on ok!

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I hope the OP will pop in again to see these replies.

Ed, you can post a link to your story if you think it will be helpful. I'd be interested in reading it.

Doodlebug, thanks for your comments. May I ask what you generally recommend for a 6-7 year old with dysgraphia? We've experienced some success with home therapy using theraputty, hand exercises, and the Handwriting without Tears workbooks.

take care all-

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Thank -you Lorel - I will, from Short stories Ed (Siobhain)

Had a look at your page - its great!

Not sure how much to say, as this is Your topic!

However as an English Coach I just cant help getting 'hot under the collar' if I hear of School professionals hampering a child's progress ....... sometimes these children who are being under-stimulated are better off home-schooled where they can have access to a richly nurturing set of topics which stretch them, than placed below their intellectual capability with boring repetitive 'work' with unstimulating classmates just because they are slow writers!- this can only switch them off! grrr - it makes me mad!

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LOL LOL LOL

I just noticed your icon!! (Coincidence with my story below:)

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Originally Posted By: Lorel-gifted education

Doodlebug, thanks for your comments. May I ask what you generally recommend for a 6-7 year old with dysgraphia? We've experienced some success with home therapy using theraputty, hand exercises, and the Handwriting without Tears workbooks.

take care all-


Sorry for not responding sooner, just now popped back by to check on this thread. Being SI trained, I tend to stay away from rote drills for handwriting, believing that the underlying reasons need to be addressed before skills can be improved. But dysgraphia is a hard thing to treat, as there are so many different things that can be underlying the poor writing skills.

From my OT perspective, I am usually seeing kiddos who have low proximal muscle tone, overall low tone (including the hands), poor visual-motor skills, poor visual-perceptual skills (such as laterality, directionality or visual processing problems such as figure-ground) or visual efficiency skills (such as poor fixation, tracking or saccadic movement of the eyes).

I always recommend a developmental vision exam to rule out or treat any previously undiagnosed problems if appropriate.

When low muscle tone is the issue I do lots of vestibular and proprioceptive activities -- lots and lots of movement paired with gross and fine motor coordination and/or eye-hand coordination tasks. I do lots of activities like balancing on a tilt board while tossing beanbags at a target, or swinging on a platform while hitting a balloon.

Oral motor tasks that involve blowing or sucking help to activate core muscles - like blowing bubbles through a straw, sucking on a thick milkshake. Whistles, bubble blowers, horns, musical instruments (recorders, flutes, harmonicas) are all good ways to incorporate respiration activities into daily fun. A lot of kids with low muscle tone have very shallow, one dimensional breathing.

For perceptual skills we do obstacle courses, following maps and verbal directions, right/left discrimination activities, imitating postures games and some paper/pencil tasks like mazes, puzzles and drawing or tracing.

For visual efficiency skills we do things like bouncing a balloon on the hand as many times as you can, flash-light tag, catch and throw games (keeping eye on the target or the ball coming at you), I Spy games, and mazes on the blackboard.

I also use Therapeutic Listening and Interactive Metronome as adjuncts to more traditional OT intervention. I find that both programs have helped kids improve visual motor skills, improve handwriting and increase production of written work. In some cases, the legibility of the writing doesn't really improve, but the child's anxiety about writing decreases, which makes all the difference in the world for that child in producing written work.

The Handwriting without Tears program is a great one for teaching the mechanics of forming letters. But sometimes the issue is that the mechanics fall apart when the child has to be writing while at the same time thinking about the content of the writing. When the mechanics of handwriting are demanding too much in the way of cognitive energy, then there is very little energy left for the process of creative content. The goal should be to make handwriting as automatic as possible. When that doesn't work, then look at ways to compensate so that the child can create. Ultimately that's what really matters - the ability to produce that end product. The means to get there is just that - the way to get there. And there are many ways to get there other than handwriting the final product.

Hope that helps.



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