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I am slowly learning how to use the forum. The topic for discussion is mostly about what you would like to see written, and information discussing clairvoyance and how it is interrelated to the spirit.

It will take science a very long time to validate in black and white what clairvoyance is and how it works. For now I feel it has something to do with the spirit as well as the brain and its configuration. As I myself have had the good and bad experience of clairvoyant abilities, I am happy to write on any questions I can and email those who may have questions regarding the subject. Only in certain geographical areas, can even be talked about openly, let alone proven by a scientist. This is a place where I am happy to help any who would like more information. Elleise

This sounds interesting! I'd love to learn more about clairvoyance. I have been recovering from a head injury for the past few years, and I've gone through a lot mentally and emotionally. My neurologist thinks I might be clairvoyant. I barely know what that means, but I was too embarrassed to ask. But I know I had an ability which I had never experienced before. It was scary. Eventually I learned to surpressed it, because it was just so not normal, and even debilitating at times. I just knew too much, more than I think we're supposed to know. It really is amazing to learn first hand about what sort of potential lies in each and every one of our minds. It's lying there, right beneath the surface, and we don't even know it. They say that the shattered mind is an incredible teacher. I can certainly attest to that. So, I would love to talk to someone who has had the same expereince. It is not b.s., it is real.

Myhands.....

yes, you are correct. It is not B.S. and it is a very REAL and natural topic. Yet it can be difficult and dibilitating at times, depending (in my opinion) what has happened to you in the past, the support you have around you and what it is you wish to do in life.

Naturally occuring and depending on your circumstances, fear and supression are common and you may even try hard to supress (like myself). Some seek psychological help,some are taking prescriptive medicines, or joining cult groups where they feel they can talk about it openly trying to understand. Some go overboard and focuss so much on it, they can forget what is really important.

I like the term "Baby steps"...you are more natural and everyday than you know. It's like driving a car..your nervous when you first get in the drivers seat. Eventualy though, you think nothing of turning the key and getting where it is you are going. You are even able to see much more than you did before you knew how to drive.

Myself, I was born with it. Later in my life I tried to supress it as it was called a gift but was making my mental life miserable and I didn't fit in and knew TOO much about things and people in general that I didn't or shouldn't know. When I did try to turn it off I wasn't the same free-loving, happy, non-guarded person I was when I didn't know any better and would talk openly about it, i.e. the places, grandma (who wasn't with us anymore) dreams. I would get looked at funny as a child and the room would get very quiet whe I spoke. I felt I had said or done somethig bad. That is when I quit speaking about it.

I remember initially, I was told I spoke to 3 people in my sleep (by my mother) early in the morning (2-3:15 a.m.). Of course this scared me and I didn't remember it the next day when she would ask of it. I was also Catholic, and everything I did, felt like a sin anyway....

From what I am told by my mother, I guess I did it so often she followed me for several nights around the house to see what I would do exactly. She said I got out of my bed, went down the stairs to the same corner in the family room and answered questions to the people??? There were 3 separate ones - beings (I think I called them angels then) I barely remember this part....I remember her saying my name gently one night and could barely hear her in the distance. I came to and said, " What are you doing?" She said I was sleep walking. I said, "You mean you didn't see them? Did you hear them? What did they say? They were right there, three of them?" I really didn't make much sense. She said there's nobody there.

That was that....we sort of left it alone. That for me is when it first began.

It is difficult to get direct information and some people just find they are uncomfortable in speaking of it or embarrassed.

To me,I just see it as having 10 fingers and 10 toes. Meaning, I have 10 fingers (representing the things people see openly). We all use them everyday - we all have 10 toes. One is covered more than the other and less spoken about. Kind of like the Earth must be flat?? If that makes sense.

With clairvoyance, we don't really see, until we are ready. For you, Summer is here and you are seeing "toes." It can be overwhelming. You are fine!!! Try to Remember baby steps and take it slowly or at a pace that is acceptable and comfortable for you:) Elleise - clairvoyance

Elleise, this is the first time I have ever spoken to another person who has been through this, and it's a pretty cool thing. Talk about feeling alone and like no one understands you. As I said, I had a head injury, and the clairvoyance was not something I had ever experienced previously. Although, I don't believe the injury created an ability, I feel it triggered an ability which lied dormant, and it's in each and every last one of us. Beneath the surface, there is amazing ability in each one of us, I really believe that. The best way I can understand it myself, is that deep in our brains, there is a pure animal inside. We ARE animals. We just forget that. And on top of that primal brain we have human intelliegence, which directs this animal information in ways that can become completely overwhelming. I didn't control it, it controlled me. It, being clairvoyance or hyperconsciousness, or whatever you want to call it. It was just very hard to be around people. Children were easy, they are all perfect. ANimals were great too. But, it was pretty tough with the grown ups, especially men. I could instantly see through person to such a degree that I was far more aware of he/she than they were of themselves. I could tell instantly if someone was abused, and I sensed the very subtle ways it manifested, and it was extremely painful. Maybe we do that a bit normally, but multply that be about a million, and that was how I felt. I was acutely aware of not just other people's feelings, but the root of the feeling. I could tell when someone was feeling suicidal and why. That was horrible. I was with a group of people, and one of them was suicidal, I could tell. I knew when he left what he was going to do. I called his parents to call the police to have him put into safe custody, and they said they wouldn't because he was an adult. He did attempt. Thank God, the police found him in his car before he died of carbon monoxide poisoning. He almost died, though, a couple more minutes and he would have been dead. this is obviously an extreme example, but these things were happening constantly even on a lesser scale. I was far too aware of other people's problems. These are the types of memories I have associated with my six sense experience, and it was sufficient for me to realize that there is a REASON why humans are out of touch with our animal brain. We would go CRAZY if we lived like that all the time. It is too too much, we are too intelligent and complex to handle it. It would break most people. If there are people out there who feel that they can handle these feelings, then I think that's a pretty cool thing. I just know that I am not one of those people. That may sound boring, but that's how I feel about it.

http://www.crystalinks.com/clairv.html Here is an awesome website about clairvoyance. It explains the neurological underpinnings involved, and it really is quite fascinating. As I said, my neurologist is the one who introduced the notion to me. The more educated people are, the less inclined they are to poo poo the notion. In a graduate course in Cognitive Disorders, my professor strongly encouraged us to choose projects which explored the "weird and funky" concepts in the cognitive journals, such as clairvoyance. She gave major brownie points for students who chose such subjects to research for a project. It is real, and it is completely fascinating. Thank you for sharing with me, as I said, I've never had the experience of speaking to a fellow sufferer (for lack of a better term). And it's a relief to know that I am not alone.

You pretty much summed it up and have an excellent handle on what you are experiencing!

This is why I write here. You can talk openly, and inform yourself and other's whom are interested on issues, not quite Socially acceptable and issues that are.

You are right, sensory/clairvoyance - among other things are witin each of us!!! The body is only the transporter. Eventually, science will document brain activity associated with many of extra sensory perceptions you do hear about.

Children and animals are drawn to me as well. They operate on similar energies and rely in a sense as these perceptions are in part survival instincts. Adults on the otherhand analyze, react,and externally rely on that which they feel directs them entirely. External visuals do direct, but not entirelly.

This "6th sense" is just a name - something science has given. There is much more from what I've experienced.

I have some personal advise from what I've gone through that might help you for now. As ESP, Clairvoyance, etc. (openings I guess I would call it) can have consequences undesired.

At first it may seem exciting, your bursting to talk w/someone about it, mabey like I did, "WOW..did you know..." to just about anyone. I could even jump in conversations passing a table at an airport feeling pulled to specific tables (it was interesting to say the least)..and they would want my phone number. I just trotted right along my way thinking everything was wonderful and life was in order. I stayed away from books and seminars as I wanted to see positively, if this was for real. I even became afraid of it after awhile (again for everything there IS an opposite). It can have a physical toll on the body.

You are correct in stating you are able to sense and see through a person's external. If you continue on this track you will need to direct your senses to individuals who WANT, and ASK for the help. Sometme you can just mention a sentence in passing and just be on your way if you feel someone is needing to hear - it will be o.k...(someting like that). For everything there is an opposite! You can deplete your own energies by...well,lots of things.

Also, just as you can "see/feel" something, most often "random hits" can not be stopped. You can become depressed as in the beginning many of the sensations will be the most compressed energies (intense) energies that are picked up on -Basically, see what you are going through as a radio signal you will pick up or tuning fork that has been hit on a table.

***Good things to do w/clairvoyant abilities have to do w/healing or resolution, counseling, etc. This is what I do. I will give readings if a person asks. People have a difficult time accepting change (whic is usually necessary to direct an outcome they are inquiring about).
This will be probably the most important thing to really understand.

Secondly, there is a "swiss cheese" (my term) exercise I mentally preform when I feel something empathically: Information in - (if I didn't go looking for it and it pops out of nowhere) information delivered if an emergency, information out - and I envision my body with wind blowing through me like swiss chees. Then back to my "normal" physical duties. TRY NOT TO WAIT for validation, especially if someone did not ask for this information. If it is important they will seek you out and energies in general surrounding you will support this.

I use to try to anylize or prove over and over to myself I wasn't crazy, as you do feel alone sometimes. I truly have found, if someone needs you and you are not ego - based, you will find direction, financial means and clients who do want to work with you.

I went from brokerage manager to spirtual counselor. It took 10 yrs for me to make that move and I've never been happier - but I took the bumpy road. I try to "ease the ride" for others so to speak. Thank you for your writings, they will help others as well, Elleise <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

While I admire both of your abilities to talk about your gifts I emplore you to please remember that when you are out in the regular world most people are going to give you goofy looks and strange faces and perhaps even gossip about you.

While I completely respect your discussion and what you you can do and I encourage you to speak to each other, and others who are open minded about such things. Sharing these ideas and concepts with others can lead to many negative things.

The majority of this country seems to not be ready for the fact that people have this ability. Until modern science can find a way to prove that it is possible and some people can do this it will continue to be rediculed.

Many people believe this gift to be linked to spirituality. Spirituality is often used as a way to explain things we do not understand. (my opinion)

I clicked on the link here because recently I read an article in the paper about a woman who dreamt of trees and vegetation and heard a voice, "Keep going, keep going." She was friends of the family to a girl who had turned up missing. They found her 8 days she had been trapped at the bottom of a hillside heavily forrested area in a car. 8 DAYS!!! She was alive and they found her the day after the dream.

After reading several interviews with the woman who had the dream she says in one that she felt it was a gift from god. Maybe, not what I believe, but maybe.

I took special interest to the story because I have dreams that come true fairly regularly. Most of my friends don't know this neither does my family. It started when I dreamt the suicide of a girl in junior high school. Then continued from there. I have fairly vivid dreams and I can almost always tell the difference between dreams of interpretation and dreams of clairvoyance.

I write my dreams down every morning. A great excercise that can sometimes lead to busy mornings! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have had a few experiences where the events have unfolded around me and I've tried to change the outcome. Usually things are so quick and so short that the moment has passed fullfilled before I can change them. I used to find it frustrating. A battle against fate? perhaps? Usually the dreams are so small and insignificant they aren't worth mentioning.

What I long for is the ability to control my dreams. The ability to understand why it happens, know more of when it is going to happen and have the time to do something about it. To use the ability as a tool rather than a strange thing. Instead, it is just like watching a movie that I slightly remember seeing. I have spent many, many nights in my youth staying awake extremely late to avoid sleeping solid and remember dreams.

My point is that you two are most certainly not alone... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Not everyone, as you have found, is ready to come out in the open about what they can do. I guess that is it? long story for a point you already knew.

Hi...

Yes, I've found much gossip and odd looks - try small town community.

However, the dreams, the staying awake, the ability to discern between psychic dreaming and just taking out the daily trash kind of dream is an incredible mark in your life!

For me, I found people gossip whether I speak of these things or not. And I believe after 3 decades many people do experience these things, and quietly inquire (1/2 jokingly). The more we talk about it the more we understand. If we wait until science confirms all of this (remember just what could happen if they do confirm - many "physical only" jobs and histories will have to be adjusted as well as so-called modern medicine.

People find change difficult. I embrace as there is another chapter waiting just beyond. The experiences you have should be enjoyed as "annoying" (smile) as they can be. Elleise

ASH,

"Instead, it is just like watching a movie that I slightly remember seeing."

Both my husband and I have described a similar experience at various points in time.

Elleise,
I found that people think we're weird for discussing this kind of stuff, so sometimes I endeavour to make light of a situation by saying something to the effect of "my psychic sense is tingling!" Of course I know that when I say that, it is half serious, and half jest. Sarcasm works wonders to combat cynicism. It can be very difficult tapping into a shadow side of reality that is completely ignored by the scientific community - but then again I decided long ago that they're no better than the closeminded followers of any given religion, and that I'll probably be considered strange and unusual no matter what I do, so I might as well have fun being me in the process.

Hi Tiamat4

Yeh, I feel the same way. I'll make lite of many of the things I see and feel, pretty much in the same way. Especially when it has to do with the future.

I have to say I can't stress enough how much I empathize and how important a supportive parner is too who tends to get the brunt of what we see and how we feel about it. It's one thing to pretend on the outside, but at home, we pay attention, it has saved our cabooses many a time.

Just last night my fiance tip-toed down the stairs (which he can never get away with no matter how sound asleep I am I had my cell phone near by and opened it so he could see his way down. It was kind of funny but he was plasterd against the wall of the stairway with eyes the size of saucers). We have a guest bedroom which either one of us will go to when we can't sleep to watch movies or whatever. He told me there was something upstairs that had kicked the bed and thought it was me or one of the animals. He dove under the blanket I had around me. He kept saying, "I know I'm not losing it, I know I'm not losing it...so cute.

I reminded him we get a visitor every now and then who we call, Farmer Fred. He said he remembered but wanted to think rationally about the possibility. Regardless, he got the christmas tree back out with all the lights and plugged it in the wall and decided to sleep downstairs, lol. Just one of the many "silly" things - which didn't happen to me this time - that we do talk about.

Glad to meet you!

Karen Elleise
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