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#807671 - 02/24/13 03:54 PM
Re: Buddhist Jataka Tales - Morality Stories
[Re: Lisa - Buddhism]
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Dear Lisa, To most people who are not Buddhists,morality is a word relatind to good and bad even sins. Not so in Buddhism,morality is individual,has only consequence the karma ,attached to the act., There are 5 sins in Buddhism Killing a Buddha Killing an Arahant Killing one,s father Killing one,mother Killing one,s sibblings. There is however no penalty,Except the heavy bad karma it carries.
Loong the learner
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#808108 - 02/26/13 08:06 PM
Re: Buddhist Jataka Tales - Morality Stories
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Dear Lisa,
Did some more research on the 5 sins of buddhism.Found 3 places where they are mentionned.When I wrote about the 5 sins ,I was doing it out of memory.
On the site of Religion facts /Buddhism,here is what is written
Rebirth in hell (Naraka) patricide,matricide,killing of an arahat,the wounding of a buddha,creating a schism in a sangha.
With respect Loong
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#808229 - 02/27/13 12:30 PM
Re: Buddhist Jataka Tales - Morality Stories
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Dear lisa
Maybe ,I do not understand right,the way ,I,understand your post,is that karma,is not in your views regarding acts ,good or bad?
Loong
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#808857 - 02/28/13 05:12 PM
Re: Buddhist Jataka Tales - Morality Stories
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Lisa - Buddhism
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I only mean that in Buddhism, enlightenment is not a reward for good behavior, in the way that heaven is presented as a kind of reward for good behavior in Christianity. The same with the hell realms or lower incarnations - it isn't meant to be a judgment or punishment. Teachings on karma are really that all states have momentum, that is what karma is. If you fall into a low enough state to commit a terrible act such as murder, there is an 'effect' of that in the world and your own awareness that will pull you even lower, UNLESS you engage in true practice and are able to realize the four Noble truths for yourself.
It might seem like a subtle difference, but I think it is very important. Really the essence of practice. We are not practicing to be rewarded by a higher power, and we don't abstain from destructive behavior out of a fear of punishment. We practice to realize the truth of our beings. When we do, and once we can live from that realization, we will not be caught in a state in which we could do such destructive acts. And we do not have to force ourselves to be kind of compassionate, we simply are.
So I don't mean that acts aren't 'good' or 'bad'. I just mean that judging them so is not what practice is about. And meeting external guides for behavior isn't what practice is about either. For beginners, this is useful guidance, but it isn't the essence of practice.
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#809592 - 03/04/13 11:54 PM
Re: Buddhist Jataka Tales - Morality Stories
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Lisa - Buddhism
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Yes, I know you know all this. But I think emotionally sometimes we still relate to our practice this way, out of habit. By 'we' I mean almost everyone. There is still some part of us that is focused on 'getting it right', or on 'being good'. It is difficult to break the emotional pattern of subconsciously trying to please an external authority figure or 'God'. Even when intellectually we think we are beyond that. The patterns of self-judgement run very deep, and we are conditioned as children to try and please our parents, our teachers, our authority figures, and 'God'.
So that is what I meant - that true practice moves beyond these patterns of judging ourselves as 'good' or 'bad', 'worthy' or 'unworthy'. We simply are, and we deal with whatever arises in our mind, in our being. This is what I mean by practice not being about morality.
Last edited by Lisa - Buddhism; 03/04/13 11:58 PM.
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