Dave.....yes, I can see how deep the soul is within each person. I don't "sense" it with people on a daily basis, but I understand and believe the concept. I think a lot of people don't realize what is truly within themselves, and certainly they don't reveal it.

I do understand what you are saying about what happens when the soul is given a glimmer of hope. I felt that two years ago just after the hardest blow I have ever suffered in my life. I just knew I had to see a situation through even though it would take months, because I sensed that something good would be the outcome. I had that glimmer of hope at the darkest of hours, and within myself I knew that what I wanted and needed was right in front of me. There were obstacles, and everyone thought I was crazy, but I got what I wanted and it was wonderful while it lasted.

With hope comes excitement for life. Blessed Be.

You've got it Debbie!! None of this is hidden from you nor from anyone as they just get over their fear and allow themselves to see the "stuff" thats really inside of them. It is GOOOOOD stuff!! In working with more than just a few people I have never seen anyone that is without a measure of incredible depth despite the abuse or trauma that would try to cover it up. If we just tap into it we find that our plagues become our propellant that pushes us into our completion, joy, and peace. Blessed Be

Some have said that spiritual things are too high for them. Some have also said that such things are unattainable in one lifetime. Others have said, Oh look at the enlightenment of that one or this one. That is nice for them but I am stuck in my present situation and could not rise to such hope.We tend to pile that load of krapp higher and higher but it is still the same consistency, krapp.

I have been the poorest of the poor. I have lived in my car when I could not pay rent. Some of my family in the past was murdered by the church. Some of the odds that have been against me and my family many would have never endured.

For any to say that they cannot be who they truly want to be is another brand of the same consistency.

I believe completely in the substance and power that is within me therefore no-one that desires that similarity has any excuse to not do the same. Look inside! Blessed Be

The pen is possibly mightier than the sword but there is another form of communication or action that is more ancient and possibly more effective than either of the afore mentioned.

This is what I was taught, not that it will always stand the test of time yet has nevertheless worked for us for five centuries. Many ancient cultures including the celts and druids knew of and practiced these things.

The written word is divisible. From the moment it is on the page it is diminished. Then as it is rewritten it becomes even more diverse and many times with less of the original power that it carried. There is a spirit behind communication.

The intent behind the spoken word is singular yet is delivered with much more power. It is ingested deeper just by its nature.

That is why many deep thinkers and many souls aware of their foundational spiritual depth often are unable to find in books the deeper truths of the workings of the human mind and psyche, especially their own. Its not that there are not some incredibly deep spiritual writers because there definitely are!! It is just that there are some wordings that are not for print. They might be so high, so deep, so low, so hidden, or so adverse to the thinking of the restricted soul that they simply get lost.

When I write something that I believe carries the correct message or impact that I wish to convey, I find many times in reviewing it somewhat later that I could have improved upon this or that. I could have been clearer or more precise in my deliverance.

The timing of the spoken word however can be precise and accomplish in a greater way what it readily needed for the hearer and the deliverer in that moment. The same thing written many not be "heard".

Words spoken from deep calling unto deep hit "home." It is then a shared fortress that is not easily undone.

These are some little things that I have learned along the way. It may seem trivial but they may hopefully give strength to a family and a culture. This is my own perception but I believe that we can waste our words or we can make them count. Food for thought?????

Spoken word cuts to the bone marrow !!

Dave.....I agree with what you have said in your last posts. First of all, a person can do whatever he or she sets themselves out to do. Human beings can accomplish so much, even things that many can't even imagine doing. It is all about looking within and finding the strength to do what is needed or what is desired. All of us have the power. We just need to tap into it.

As for words.....yes, I feel the same in that sometimes after I write something the words almost seem inadequate. What I thought described my intent can either be misunderstood or not exactly accurate as to how I felt at the time. It is often difficult to put feelings and thoughts into words as it is, and some feelings or intentions can't be described accurately in words at all.

The spoken word can be a little more accurate, as voice inflection, facial expression, and body gestures can also add emphasis. And Burt is right, some words when spoken can cut right to the bone. It is all in the deliverance of those words.

Great topic, Dave. Perhaps we should take this to my other thread "Welcome - A Place to Talk and Share" for further discussion. This thread is dedicated to the Goddess, so I opened up the other thread for various spiritual and philosophical discussions. If you don't mind I will place a copy of your post there so that others can view it and comment on it. What do you think?

Whatever you wish Debbie, whatever works the best!!! dave

Thank you, Dave. Let's see if others want to share their view as well.

If it's O.K. I would like to share about the spiritual side of my familys relationship with the great Mother. We came from a small group of people that did not allow a god of greed, power, or corruption to rule our lives. Yeh we were not perfect. We were basically no different than others except maybe in our perceptions.

All around us fear drove the masses in an attempt to live by a perceptual code of ethics that that neither God himself nor mankind were capable of living by. Always striving to attain and yet never accomplishing.

The message that was all around us was,"You need to be like us, you are wrong and we are right! God is on our side!"
If that truly were the case then why did none of us enlightened want to be anything like those that spoke such ignorant division? They themselves had no understanding of where they trod and being lost in a illusion of their own creation they knew no better.

When we learned new truths we could not share them with others because the light was too bright and they risked being exposed. We remained silent yet over centuries we gained perfectly preserved power and strength as She showed us the true condition of the heart of mankind. When an entire culture has issues with fear and insecurities it is easy to follow a leader whether corrupt or not.

We did not know any of the Salem witch trial victims but we did have our own problems with people around us that judged us by their own self-righteousness.

I have used the word "witch" when it came to certain members within the family but one must understand that that name was given to us by others. We did not invent the word. When however we saw how desperate and devoid of conscience many were around us and how, even though not perfect, we maintained a desire for the betterment of ourselves and humanity, the name stuck.

I am proud of it not because of an attempt to try to be "different" from others, but of the fact that we know exactly who we are and have for many centuries. We did not have the need to be someone special, to be seen, to be adored above all others, or even to have our way or will. We simply wanted to just flow with that great river called "life".

We were temporary, still are.

It doesn't matter if anybody remembered us when we were gone. We wanted everybody to know who they truly were when they were alive.

We never did think like so many others did. We did know however what it was to make it in the most dire of circumstances.

When we were persecuted we found that there was an underlying cause for it. We knew who we were. That is a great light and an offense to the deceptive. Those that thrust the sword did so only because of what they thought that they must do, having no concept of the condition of their own soul. Even in death we were secure within ourselves

The greatest of all things is becoming the most inconsequential. The rejected and despised, the remnant, and the true seeker, are replacing what was once revered.

We could have so much in this country if we weren't so damn spoiled. We have everything except ourselves and each other.

The great Mother has shown us a different perception coupled with the possibility of a beneficial change on all fronts.

There is nothing that we cannot be or accomplish in life and the greatest flow in this great river called life involves taking others with us to our fullness here and into eternity.

Blessed Be Her name in the universe. She is worthy.

Thank you, Dave. I wholeheartedly agree with all you have shared, and indeed She is worthy. Blessed Be.