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#776151 - 08/02/12 07:02 PM
Re: 50 Shades of Grey
[Re: Lori - Marriage]
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Koala
Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 2536
Loc: Orange, CA USA
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Let me provide examples from real life husbands and wives who have written to me about their sex lives:
Wives want equal status in marriage. Frequently, they choose partners who will provide them the respect and sharing they want. In some cases, women who have been abused in their past choose very docile, even feminine mates because of the safety they feel in being with this type of man.
But then in the bedroom, they experience some problems. Women tell me that they aren't attracted sexually to their husbands. They know they don't want to be dominated outside the bedroom, but in bed, it is a different story. It is confusing to them.
Of course, I'm speaking in VERY general terms. There are plenty of examples of women who are the opposite, who want men who are not the domineering, he-man type of husband. But, if you take a look at the type of man that attracts most women--in movies, etc.--the leading man is most often confident and in charge...at least of himself.
I'm not making any value judgments about what is right or wrong. This is strictly an observation.
Women say they want one thing but their bodies are wanting something different.
As a gender, we women have a lot to figure out.
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#776596 - 08/06/12 04:23 PM
Re: 50 Shades of Grey
[Re: Lori - Marriage]
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Zebra
Registered: 01/08/10
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I borrowed the book from a friend out of sheer curiosity. I will agree that it is not a literary masterpiece, but I could not put it down. Here is my take on it...
I was not embarrassed by any of it, and I am not into these types of relationships. Frankly I thought the abuse was not as much as all the hype out there, not that I condone it, but there was definitely a lot of dominance. Only at the end of the book is Anastasia given a belt whooping that was very painful. Erotic as a story? Yes, but not overly so. There was lots of humor in the story too, which I liked.
Anastasia is a strong willed woman, but I would not say she was Wonder Woman by any means. She is naive and just learning about herself. What struck me the most was not the dominance and bondage in the story, but what she sees in Christian Grey, a troubled man who had a horrific 4 years as a child with a crack addicted prostitute for a mother. The details of his abuse is not revealed in this book. What is revealed is that he was taken advantaged of as a teenager by an older woman, and she led him on the path he follows now in the bedroom.
I don't agree with what he does, but I can see a kind, often gentle, sensitive, and devastated individual who is getting help from a psychiatrist but still feels the need to control any intimate contact. I hope the next few books will give more details on this, and will reveal his true backstory. It seems that Anastasia wanted to save Christian and show him how to love, but that has not happened in this book. She walks away because she has endured enough. I think she is a good person who wants to be loved and wants to love Christian as well, but he won't let her get close enough emotionally.
I can see a tender side to Christian, a man who does not like who is but feels he has no other choice. I'd like to see him get the help he needs to be free of his demons and experience love like all of us deserve, without the need to control or inflict pain.
To conclude, I am glad I was not the one who spent the money on this book. I am pretty open minded, well read, and well informed. I do not think this book lives up to all the hype in the media, and I certainly don't see how it could benefit an intimate relationship, even if someone liked having the dominant/submissive scenario. I did not get the shock value I expected.
Edited by Debbie-SpiritualityEditor (08/06/12 09:13 PM)
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#776728 - 08/07/12 04:03 PM
Re: 50 Shades of Grey
[Re: Lori - Marriage]
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Koala
Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 2536
Loc: Orange, CA USA
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Still haven't had time to get this book, but I am very curious about it now after all of your comments! Human sexuality is a hotbed of opinions. I, for one, am not easily embarrassed by it because I have been exposed to a variety of sexual lifestyles (via psychology classes, documentaries, etc.) I took an abnormal psych class that went into sexual deviance but I think we need to reframe what "deviance" and "normal" sexual practices are. Times change. During the Victoria era, for example, it was normal to not even see your partner's naked body.
When it comes to this whole dominance and submission practice, I think it appeals to women for a few reasons. One is that being submissive sexually removes the responsibility of being in charge of one's own sexuality and places it in your partner's hands. Upon first glance, you'd wonder why in the world that would appeal to a woman. But a *lot* of women were raised with mixed messages about sex. It's still a hush-hush subject in the home. There's still some misunderstanding about what type of sex is acceptable for a decent woman and what acts and behavior turn a woman into a tramp or wh*re. Engaging in sex freely without any inhibition is hard for a lot of women. The whole submission thing allows them to do things because they are being told to or forced to do it. Rape fantasies are extremely common. Not that women want to be raped in real life but there is this whole removal of responsibility for wanting and liking sex thing that happens in the mind.
BTW, you'd think that the type of women who engages in a D/s lifestyle has low self esteem and while that is true for a lot of them, you'd be surprised to know how many strong, corporate dynamos crave not having to be in control all the time.
Edited by Lori - Marriage (08/07/12 04:14 PM)
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