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#731468 - 12/16/11 02:26 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: ancientflaxman]
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Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, It has been rough on you in this life. I have not dealt with you in sympathy as that is not your real need. I got you dude, you will not fall!!!! I told you that I will not let go until you stand in yourself and see the incredible beauty of what is inside of you. No one will harm you again. As I said before, we have done this before. You helped me the last time. Remember??? We forgot a lot but its coming back.


Do you have others in your area who support your beliefs ?

Unfortunately, I cut myself off from others and I'm very shy about my beliefs.

That's why I many times answer in short stacatto bursts here.

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#731469 - 12/16/11 02:30 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor]
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Originally Posted By: Cassie67
Burt....I can't believe the name of your Grandfather is the same as the name of my dear kitty who has passed on. What a coincidence!

Animals can bring us such comfort, I agree. They have good energy and they love unconditionally. We are so lucky to have them.


Yeah, but I'm the weird one because I have a beautiful kitty in my lap now, but did not want rug rats who want money, money, money.

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#731491 - 12/16/11 04:28 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: Linda, Philosophy Editor]
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Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped???? You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that?? My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers. I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave

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#731499 - 12/16/11 05:12 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: Burt B.]
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You aren't weird in my book, Burt. Who cares what anyone else thinks? As long as you are happy and at peace.
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#731501 - 12/16/11 05:44 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: ancientflaxman]
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Thanks Dave for your view. I agree that it is good to give others a leg up, but then they do have to make their own way and strive to be who they were meant to be. We all have inner beauty that only we can bring about from within ourselves.

I help people not for anything in return or for their admiration. I help people only because I feel that it is the right thing to do. I give enough to get them going again and then I back off. I for one do not have the strength to carry another the entire way because I am trying to make my own way as it is. I do what I can but I have to get myself going too. I will be able to do more in my life when I am whole again.

My personal struggle right now is to get over deep loss in my life. This grief and depression has crippled me in a way that I have not been able to pull myself up and move forward. I have of late made some small steps, but it is still very difficult and I have been in this mode now for a few years. Oh so slowly I feel bits of progress, especially after coming on bella and sharing with others and getting other points of view from all of these wonderful people.

But I do believe more has to be done and I need some quiet time to reflect and search for the answers I need as to what my next steps should be, where I belong, etc. I am trying to do exactly what you say......praise the beauty within myself and find the strength to go on.

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#731504 - 12/16/11 05:56 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: ancientflaxman]
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Dave.....I know you asked Burt for some answers in regards to eventually losing your two friends. I will not have an in-depth answer like he will for you and I won't quote what you have already said. I hope you don't mind that I comment here.

Just one thing stands out for me......we are biologically weak. We may have great spiritual abilities but our bodies age and break down, and there is only so much through traditional and non-traditional means that we can do to slow this process down. It is very unfortunate and unfair. For some reason we can't understand we have been created with bodies that are not meant to last. Our physical form will eventually perish. It is only a matter of time.

This plan does seem very unfair when we have made the close bonds that we have with some people. I do believe that our spirits live on, but there is that time of grieving when you lose the ones you love. I am sorry if what I said here seems pretty darn obvious. I would like to know as well what Burt's view is on this.


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#731520 - 12/16/11 07:16 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: Linda, Philosophy Editor]
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Dave, I often turn to you when needing support. Your comment to "stand in ourselves" is so vividly and deeply true. We do reach out to others for support and love. Love is what keeps us standing within ourselves -- love and faith in ourselves and dear friends keeps us standing tall. Once again, I thank you, dear Brother. I know...I know...you will reply: "Do not thank me for it comes through me not of me." Thank you anyway for being there when I reach out. Thank you for allowing the Great Mother to come forth through you and touch us.

Blessed Be


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#731528 - 12/16/11 07:26 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: ancientflaxman]
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Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

Hi Dave and Cassie67. I apologize for not getting back sooner, I had to get something to eat. I Love the Spiritual stuff sooo much that I really get annoyed when I have to take care of this lump of cement better known as the physical body so I try to keep it care to a minimum -- Thank You for your vote of confidence. I have not read Cassie67's reply yet but I will embed what first comes to mind and heart in color

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped????

Many times karmic law will not allow them to be healed no matter what -- period. Even Christ Jesus himself went to different towns where people could not be healed. I don't know what techniques you use like Reiki -- so try not to feel bad.


IT IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF YOU HAVING TO LEARN SOMETHING, RATHER IT IS MORE OF AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO LEARN FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND DYING -- DO YOUR BEST, THEN LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE UP TO PROVIDENCE -- YOUR JUST BEING THERE WITH THEM AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FIRM BELIEF AND PRACTICES IS ENOUGH OF A SEED TO HELP THEM IN THEIR NEXT EMBODIMENT -- I HAVE BEEN IN JAIL MANY TIMES AND FELT MY LIFE HAS BEEN A WASTE, BUT WHILE IN THERE I MAY HAVE PLANTED SEEDS OF HOPE THAT I KNOW NOT OF !! smile !!!

You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that??

Very moronic indeed until you come to the understanding that one lifetime is a very small sliver of time and space to learn our sowings and our reapings from past incarnations. We ourselfs created our circumstances from the wrinkle on our nose to our ability comprehend. We sat down with the karmic board and chose our parents and our general life plan and the challenges we would face. After incarnation the memory of that was taken from us. At age 16 I was diagnosed with bi-polar manic before it became fashionable these days, (I'm 50), in the diagnosis it says that they believe that they are on a mission from God and have special powers -- um.... every human beings life is a mission from god and everyone has special powers !! Of those that are created from above. There are those who are created from beneath. You have correctly surmised that the ones who know have use this knowledge to amass large sums of money on the back of others. J.P. Morgan has been quoted as saying, "Millionaires don't use astrology... Billionaires do" !!!! There is only one set of rules. God forbid as a child of God you begin to discover those rules... then you are a pagan witch, a heritic, in a cult and serve the devil and need to be put to death and burned at the stake !!! The ones who know first infiltrated religion as you so clearly realize in your statement about the Pharasies being alive and well today. Also, you knowing that Jesus Christ was put to death just for loving people !!! Planet Earth was a dark star and has a very old residue of superstition and fear of the new and the unknown. They also hate the Living God -- the masses do -- Have you ever run into fundamental groups that actually glorify the gore !!! Do you really think the God of Love enjoyed Jesus' suffering on the cross ??!!! What kind of mucked-up civilization do we live in ???? !!!! The Dark Ones have been in control of this planet for a long, long time... they are not going to give it up without a fight and some risk to us !! To answer your question more directly -- FRIENDSHIPS AND TRUE LOVE SHARED HERE NEVER DIES -- IT ACCRUES TO YOUR CASUAL BODY -- A STAR DIFFERITH FROM ANOTHER IN GLORY BY FREE-WILL -- THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL TREASURES IN HEAVEN THAT DO NOT RUST !!! YOU WILL WORK WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR PARENTS AGAIN HERE OR HEREAFTER OR ON THE EARTH PLANE ON OTHER PLANETS PERHAPS OR IN ONE OF THE FATHER'S MANY MANSIONS !!! LOVE AND TRUE FRIENDSHIPS NEVER DIE EVEN IF THE BODY DOES !!!


My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers.

You are tired of the milk sop and want the meat. I AM Your Brother and I AM My Brother's Keeper -- Keep asking -- I will do everything in my heart and mind to comfort you !!!!

I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave

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#731540 - 12/16/11 07:48 PM Re: The Goddess [Re: ancientflaxman]
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Human Love is designed as a sip of God's Love until you prepare yourself and are prepared for 'The Whole Enchilada' of perfect Christhood -- Your Own Personal Perfect Christhood -- then you shall forever be know as Dave The Christ !!

The Christ is an office in hierarchy demonstrated publicly by the man Jesus.

" Chelas Who Would Replace the Love of the Lesser Self with the Love of the Greater Self:

There is a story in Greek legend about a beautiful youth who gazed into his reflection in a pool and fell in love with the image. As he pined away in the love of the lesser self, he was transformed into a narcissus and to this day is remembered by that name.

And so as you look at the daffodils and nar-cissus, yellow and gold in the springtime breezes, moving gently in the fresh winds of Aries and Thor, remember the devotion to the lesser self that, through the alchemy of the Holy Spirit, became in the floral offering the devotion to the Greater Self.

Sometimes mankind who abuse the gift of free will find that in the mercy of the law their energies, cycling through nature, are balanced through the elemental kingdom as plant and animal life take on the burden of mankind�s karma. Thus through the fires of transmutation and through the sacrifice of the lesser evolution for the greater, all life evolves Godward toward the center of the Divine Ego which ultimately displaces all egocentrism in the understanding of the adoration of the self as the Great God Self.

The worship of the lesser self is illegitimate. The worship of the Greater Self is legitimate. Therefore in the evolution of mankind, those who have allowed themselves to become attached to the form and the form consciousness have always found that their love is linear, following the finite line that has a beginning and an ending. By and by these learn the lesson that every Ascended Master has learned, that love is spherical and that true love is a whirling sun within the heart.

Ignited by the Holy Spirit, its devotion is to the flame of Life in every self, in every part of the Great Whole. And through devotion to the flame, the spherical love of the Greater Self takes in, in expanding measure, the allness of the lesser self, including its form and its formlessness, so that true love, all-encompassing, includes the Whole and the part.

True love meets the human need as well as the divine. True love can be experienced only as the completeness of the Higher Self is reflected in the pool of the soul. Thus beholding the Great Spirit, the great reality of selfhood, man and woman fall in love with the image of God and are consumed thereby. And in the consuming is the consummation of a greater love than any which can be contained in the cup of consciousness here below. Yet that greater love, shared by the Father-Mother God with every son and daughter, includes the allness of creation, the vastness of a cosmos.

In the relationships of God with God as these are experienced in life on earth, God gives to mankind a sip of the communion cup of love which only he can give. He allows him to partake of that immortal love which, through the fusion of the lesser self with the Greater Self�of the soul with the Spirit�all shall one day share as the joy of the rapture, being caught up in the resurrection fires of the Christed ones. <1>

Hierarchy comes to shorten the days of tribulation <2> for all who have caught the vision of the goal. Straight as the arrow flies, so is the soul shot from the bow of the Eternal Archer. Passing through the planes of Mater with the momentum and the thrust of the great arm of life, the soul reaches the mark of love and transcends all lesser images of selfhood. The arrow hits the zero in the center of being�zero ego, zero self-awareness apart from God. Here individuality is forever defined as an arrow aflame, so pining for the Real Image as to become a magnet magnetizing the energies of the Great Central Sun, including every virtue and talent that counts in the expansion of selfhood in and as the Holy Spirit.

Hierarchy comes to save the devotees from the shipwreck of a mortal existence confined and confining to mortality, possessed by and possessing lesser selves, forms of idolatry and of the idolatrous generation. Hierarchy comes with a call to the disciples of Christ who would become fishers of men. Hierarchy knows who and where you are. As Jesus walked by the Sea of Galilee and marked Simon and Andrew, already marked by the inner law of being, as they cast their net into the sea and said unto them, �Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men,� <3> so the call goes forth from the hierarch of the Aquarian age to disciples of the Flaming One of Freedom.

And those who have the marking of the law upon their souls will, like them, straightway forsake their nets and follow him, leaving friend and foe alike to follow the one through whose great heart fires all mankind shall be drawn into the net of the Cosmic Christ consciousness. And so the �fishes� merge into the oneness of the Greater Self, into that love which is above all other loves even as the loaves were also formed of the love of the Father-Mother God. And their allegiance is that which commands the very electrons of the soul as it gazes into the pool of the Self to form the image of its Maker.

The mark of the fish taken by the early Christians is not only the mark of the Piscean conqueror who conquers the emotions of a planet by the water of the Word, but it is the sign of those who have made the twin arcs of Alpha and Omega coils in the caduceus of the divine polarity. And the dot of the eye is the point of infinity where you are.

To souls adrift upon the sea of life we send out a line. It is a lifeline that must be seized with trust; for without trust, the doubts and fears of the lesser self, with all of its anxiety and frustration, inundate the soul that pursues the reunion with the Spirit of the living God. In taking up the line, the chela makes a choice. It is a choice to be led, that it might one day lead. And there is a daily choice also: to hold on to the line or to let go.

The Ascended Masters do not force their chelas. They allow their chelas to force them�to magnetize them�and thereby magnetize themselves to the higher law of their own being. There is a certain friction that is required for all attainment on the path. There are inconveniences to be borne and perhaps incongruities as you find yourself at times out of alignment with the lever of the law.

Chelas must be willing to exert themselves. Exertion is the block and tackle of mind and soul lifting the weight of darkness that it might become light. And there is a staying power that must needs be tested, a hanging-on for life, for breath, for love, for wholeness.

We write our Pearls of Wisdom out of engrams of light, out of matrices of the Spirit. Paragraph by paragraph, the sacred formula of selfhood unfolds. Man must decipher the formula of life and of living. He must probe. He must read and reread. He must invoke the Holy Spirit in whose flame is to be found the interpretation of the living Word and the multi-plication of the loaves and fishes, numbers of the law that are imparted as the equation of Spirit and Matter both between and in the lines of the printed word.

We will not spoon-feed our chelas. We expect to be met at least halfway. The oatmeal is on the spoon. Let those who are hungry lean forward, take the spoon, and feed themselves! We demand the mind of the chela conform to the mind of God. Hence our method in the presentation of the law is often after the koan of the Zen masters. We allow the enigma of divine reason to challenge human reason, to force the soul to a new plane, the plane of the rationale of the eternal Logos.

Our courses of instruction are not presented as a one-two-three, do-it-yourself success formula. We are not interested in �making business� or in popularity with the mass consciousness; nor do we play up to the sick and dying ego grasping and gasping in the throes of a final thrust for recognition through the emotional or mental control of other egos.

We do not promise to do for our chelas what they must do for themselves. Such systems involving the manipulation of aspects of the self appearing here and there as courses in autohypnosis, mind control, and the mechanical �clearing� of subconscious patterns or the records of past karma are but psychic hooks that have snared the souls of thousands. One and all these are but the manipollution, as the Great Divine Director says, of those who are on an �ego trip� outside the living flame. Let them have their day�for the days of their ambition are numbered.

Ah yes, our writings contain the sacred formula; but for the formula to crystallize in the mind of the chela, there is a requirement. That requirement is the input of the chela�the soul ingredient. The chela must mix in the momentum of his own individualized God flame.

Our discourses are distillations of the Spirit. Like the many instant foods on the shelves of your supermarkets, our words are concentrates: you must take them home and add water. The water is the living Word that flows freely from the fount of the Divine Mother. By God you are the Word incarnate! Shall we then add insult to injury by adding the water for you? Bah! Morya says, mix your own brew!

By the alchemy of the Master and the chela, by the fusion of selfhood as above so below, there emerge from the printed page and from the spoken Word a definition of concepts and the sacred formula that is unique for each individual even while it affirms the universal law of the elements. This interaction takes place each time the chela brings the flow of selfhood, of experience gained as it moves through time and space, to the instruction of the Ascended Masters.

Thus the association of the chela with the Master is unique in each and every case. For every lifestream there is a special oneness all its own, and each encounter is a special moment in eternity when time is not and space is consumed. These experiences with the Ascended Masters come day by day to those who will to leave behind the patterns of the lesser self and merge with the solar conscious�ness of the Greater Self as they study the Pearls of Wisdom and the Keepers of the Flame Lessons and meditate upon the dictations of the hierarchy delivered through our Messengers Mark and Elizabeth Prophet.

Now and then we hear the outcry of the proud intellect who takes up a Pearl of Wisdom and then declares, out of the ego need to impress his peers or to intellectually justify his rebellion, �I don�t get anything out of the Pearls.� Well, poor moth, I say, what do you expect? After all, you put nothing into them. Each Pearl of Wisdom is a key to another facet of the Master�s consciousness. And if, like the moth, you dare approach the light without your own light, you will, like the moth, be consumed.

If you love the Master, you will infuse the Pearl with your own momentum of devotion to the law and to the teaching. And this, together with the worded release, will unlock the light of the causal body of the Teacher. Some will try to take the teaching without giving of themselves. These retain a mental awareness and a mental attitude. They are devoid of the Spirit; their cups are empty. Having received nothing, they have nothing to give.

The same law holds true as you read the sacred scriptures of the world, for the true Masters of the ages have never cast their pearls carelessly. <4> They have revealed part of the mystery through the spoken Word and part through the unspoken word of their example. Beyond that they have let the inner law of each one�s own being act to compel the soul to rise to the level of the Christ consciousness. Here, received by the individual I AM Presence, it receives the gifts of the Spirit locked in the worded matrix now unlocked by the I AM THAT I AM. �For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.� <5>

Let all then accept the challenge of finding the pearl of great price <6> locked in each Pearl of Wisdom. Let them think twice before casting aside that which to their outer sophistication seems overly simple or overly complicated, too shallow or too deep, behind the times or ahead of the times, as the case may be. Let them think twice before casting aside the opportunity to come into union with the Spirit of the living God.

Humanity are all divers diving into the great sea of life. It has been said that if the pearl diver dives into the ocean and finds nothing, it is not the fault of the ocean. Opportunity is the sands in the hourglass eternally flowing through time and space. Opportunity is to seize the grain of the moment and make it a living pearl. Opportunity is to take the pearl of self, of a soul translucent, reflecting rainbow hue of Elohim, and to cast it into the sea of life that others might find in the pearl of selfless selfhood the way that leads to an eternal individuality.

In this age the Ascended Masters have cast the pearl of their identity sealed in God into the great sea of humanity in order that humanity might find their own individuality and their soul similarly consigned to God.

I AM the pearl waiting for the diver. Come and find me.

El Morya

The El of the Mother Ray

in the Eye of the Flaming Yod





1. 1 Thess. 4:17.

2. Matt. 24:21-22.

3. Mark 1:17.

4. Matt. 7:6.

5. 1 Cor. 13:9-10.

6. Matt. 13:46.

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