Agreed.

Yet how is it that the body is slowing down and money controls every function of life ?

Hey Burt. I believe that many spiritual people have a misconception about money and material things in general. This is my opinion alone however. I dig money!! I would love to have several billions in my bank account. There is something that I dig more however and that is ME. I am also the kind of a person that does not revere myself above anyone else. I guess that that places my value of money and things a ways down on the list. So many have said," I am not a materialistic person and money is the root of all evil. They still have to pay their light bill. Man can be the root of all evil. Money is just a thing!

We are controlled by what we allow ourselves to be controlled by.

Burt, you like some individuals are very advanced. You think of yourself as so far removed from the masses at times. Dude, you are!!!! We will never be like many others on the earth. We cannot fit into the confining box that so many have built around themselves.

My dad used to tell me after I would try to talk to him gently about spiritual things, " Oh yeh right Dave, you are right and the world is wrong!!!!"

I used to really beat myself up over what he told me until I realized something. I misjudged him totally. He was actually right and I was wrong for beating myself up. The world is relatively screwed and my life is generally not so bad. I know who I am which is more than dad or much of the world knew. I am not bragging here by any means as it is time for each person to find out who they really are deep inside.

Burt, You are an incredible guy with wisdom that confounds me at times which is good!! I believe in you brother!!

Phyllis, you are that eternal Mom. I am so happy about your friends return. Where else can someone go when we have their best interest at heart even if they despise us. YUWAKAPE WIYA

Jilly, You are right on!! Standing back and getting a new perspective is many times the way to handle situations. I am glad that you are here!! dave

YUWAKAPE WIYA -- thank you, Dave. That is very kind of you.
Wakan Tanan Kici Un

What is so very special about my little story is that we came back together in spirit first, which was confirmed by messages of love and understanding to each other in written messages.

Dave, I have a question for you that has long been on my mind. I think you might be able to help me with it. I will explain.

Long before I met my twin in this physical life, he came to me very vividly in a dream. He was crying and asked me to go with him. Because knowledge of my own spirituality was greatly lacking back then (over 30 years ago) I did not recognize my twin and even in dream state I was frightened and wary of him (well, maybe not him, but the situation due to my lack of understanding), I therefore rejected him.

It is very discomforting for him to discuss these things with me now in the physical life. How can I ask his forgiveness to make it right for us in spirit? (he may not even realize I rejected him, yet deep in his spirit, somewhere, I am sure he knows and that may be why we are now not together in physical life).

I have prayed for guidance and communed with the Mother yet just do not yet know how to mend our spirits.

Dave......wonderful post on the Great Mother. Thank you for sharing with us.

I do believe the Great Mother is kind and loving, but She wants us to make our own way. Indeed we are responsible for making our lives what they are.

Phyllis......so glad you were able to mend the broken spiritual connection with your friend. You are lucky.

I had a friend who backed away from me and I don't know why. I feel like I lost the spiritual connection we had and it saddens me, but I have to accept what my friend does. If you love someone you have to let them go if they want to go. I just wish it did not have to end this way, but I hope down the road I will hear from my friend again. If not I hope there is peace on my friend's journey.

Phyllis, what I can give you is my opinion alone,O.K.? There is a deep realm in the spirit world as well as a place that is spoken of in the Bible. In the deeper spirit world we are all connected in mystical ways. To me, what is mystical is something that is a mystery until one clearly sees it and can not only comprehend but accept it as well. This world wants everything in a nice, tidy, well defined, clear cut, set of man made rules. What he perceives in the natural is what he believes is in the the spirit world as well. His understanding only allows him to see into a very limited view on every plane. I am not a Biblical scholar but I believe it was John that said he saw things, in a particular situation, that were unlawful for him to speak of. I believe that I know, at least a little of what he was meaning.

We have gauged everything by man made restrictions. Sometimes religions have defined the totally of our parameters in thought , word, or deed when in fact many of those laws have nothing to do with the spirit world or an actual deity itself.

Its like this; My other half and I grew up going to dances every weekend. We would polka, Shoddisch, waltz, chicken dance, and also more of the modern dances from the 60s such as the Pony, Watusi, Fruge,Twist, Bristol Stomp and many others. Some of my Christian relatives were not open to such activities. These were just one of several "vices" that she and I partook of. It was an outlet for us and excellent exercise. I was also criticized by a few of them for having some very witchy tendencies. I asked one of them one time a very poignant question. If I have never felt a check from God for my activities who are you to attempt to alter my course? I received no answer. To this day I still love to cut a rug even though it happens rarely. Sometimes I say a cuss word or two which used to go against even some of my enlightened family members.

These are very little things yet it shows that surface level on which people build rules to follow as if it will endear themselves greater to their deity.

I don't know how many many years ago but I still can visualize myself wondering about the Great God of Abraham taking a chaw of tobacco, chewing it a bit and then spitting missing the spittoon. Immediately following I could see the great Mom saying,"You missed it again, clean it up please!"

That would have blown some of my people totally away or at least into the middle of next month sometime.

Man has these staunch, strict, overtly reverent views of a deity that, in his book, created us just as we are. Like he didn't know that we would have a sense of humor?????We need to get real.

Likewise there are realms that John saw that showed more freedom than man of his day could have ever conceived of. Phyllis, until we learn to look within deeply and see who we really are we will stay in emptiness and lonelyville.

In that realm of freedom there are all possibilities. I have said before that all relationships are ours likewise all that is on the earth. The only block to entering into that world is the "thinker the stinker" between our ears.

Remember, those that are highly successful and happy in this world know many of these secrets. So many are jealous of these folks today and it is because they don't operate in fear as their critics do. I know a few of these people. They have the ability and the fearlessness to dream and make their dreams come to reality. Go past man-made laws and rules without fear and have what you want. Those things are ours breaking neither spiritual laws or those of any correctly appraised deity.The body is stationary yet the spirit within in multidimensional, numerous, and not confined to one geographical area. We lack nothing!!

I know that this post is lengthy but let me share one little event with you;
Forty some years ago when our kids were really young I worked several jobs to make ends meet. Back then not all moms worked so she stayed home with the kids.
We had no money left by the time the bills were paid. We had a large kitchen so on Saturday night we pulled mom and dads old victrola into the kitchen, moved all of the other furniture out of the way and she and I would polka and waltz for hours to old Minnesota Whoopee John 78 records. The kids would just watch us go round and round. We would soon take a break with a big bowl of popcorn, coffee and Koolaid. When we were done we went to bed, said our prayers and slept like babies. Better times are hard to find these days. We were blessed with such happiness and still are. In simplicity we live in completeness and without a dime all the world is ours to own. Blessed Be

Thank you, Dave, for responding to my request. Blessed Be

Dave, I signed off after reading your message, your answer to my question, so I could go outside and just be. I thank you again for your words that make me look deeper within myself, as always.

You are often like the Mother in the way you answer questions. You do not give me direct answers, yet give me the way to look within and find my truths myself. Blessed Be

I know I have often told you this, yet I love to reflect on it. When you first came to this forum (how long ago now? Millennium it seems, for I have learned so much since then) anyway...when you first came here, I envisioned you as a young man on a long journey, a young man of about 20, wise far beyond your years and carrying a lantern to bring light to those in need. I was not shocked to realize you are not physically a young man of 20, but you will forever remain in my vision like that.

For some reason, I just felt the need to tell you that, for you seem to have become the father of this thread -- yet I still see that young man, full of spirit, knowledge, energy, and wisdom that radiates out to others in a warm light of love.

Sometimes I just gotta say what is on my mind. You and your lovely other half are so very blessed.

Debbie, I have lost many friends over the years and never really know why too. I understand when friendships grow apart, and accept that, but there are some people I get the sense that I did something wrong, and don't know what it is. That I attribute to my aspergers and lack of social awareness. I have much inner work to do to forgive these transgressions in myself.