To all.

Spirituality,with or without God? In Buddhism ,where I beleive ,is total spirituality, there is no god or God involved

What is your take on this question?

With Respect for all,
_/\_
a simple buddhist named
loong

I do believe in God. I was raised Roman Catholic, and some things from your past you take with you for the rest of your life. Until it is proven to me that there is no God, I will continue to believe. It is called faith, and I have reasons to believe that God does exist, just from my own personal experiences.

Good question for us all, Loong.

God is a spirit and the originator of all spirits therefore how can you have spirituality without an originator a creator a sustainer and a destroyer of all spirits ?

It's like having water without H2O and like having electricity without a generator or a source.

I don't understand -- explain to me how this could be ?

I understand the need to move away from suffocating and constraining and divisive labels and concepts in everyone's upbringing and views in orthodoxy.

I take the view that we're all baby spirits abiding in the womb of Mother spirit which is the material universe.

Just like you cannot have a baby without a father and a mother, how can you have spirituality without a father and a mother spirit who is eternal who was who is and who shall ever be irregardless of what happens to us or this planetary platform.

Dear Burt B

This thread I came up with,was to know what each and everyone of us who beleive in spirituality,needs a god or a God included into
his beleifs.
In Buddhism there is a god realm.Did you see ,i did not use a capital G.,A capital G is for those who beleive in a creator God.

In buddhism a god is someone that has reached a very high level of knowledge but is still stuck with human deficiencies.

In buddhism there is no such thing as a Creator God.

This thread is to be handled with loving kindness and respect
for others beleifs or faith.Faith is a blind beleif without any physical proofs.Beleifs are substantiated with facts.

When I started here I was told ,that this site is a site of exchange of ideas.That is what we should do.

With loving kindness
_/\_
a simple buddhist named
loong

May I stick my nozy neck in here for a moment? I have friends that believe that they are gods and need no other. These are solid people and I can find no fault in them. They love their families, themselves, and me and I them. They are respectful and some of them very moral, ethical people.

Hold on !!

Now on the flip side I remember my Grandmother. I could look into her face and clearly see the Great Mother. She had all power granted to her by the universe because of her infinite concern for humanity and the earth. Then I remember my Grandfather who walked continually in his savior Jesus. I have never known a kinder man, whose prayers were answered miraculously and to see that he was so very content within. Both of these precious individuals were a lighthouse in the grander scheme of things.

I find no fault with any of the aforementioned belief systems as each has a divine purpose under the sun. Burt, there are times when God is very close and deeply rooted in my understanding. Then however when I avoid other truths that have been just as great an influence upon my life I feel eventually boxed in and not as free in my mind. Burt, You know when I say that you alone are the eternal and you are that which has ever been, is now, and will ever be, it is being said for a reason. It is not to offend your belief system by any means, on the contrary. It is to open us up to infinite possibilities and bolster up our self esteem.

Unfortunately some religions have said that all man is a wretched beast and lower than a snakes belly. That is simply nothing more than a tool for control and to keep the masses at bay while the upperwork lives in prosperity on the backs of the little ones. The spiritual mind of man counteracts that reasoning.

We do have value and unlimited worth!!! When someone close to you says, "I believe in you!" WOW what a shot in the arm !!! Who doesn't need that???? Again what Loong is saying is full of truth. Even if we believe that there is only one way to come home we do not speak that in wisdom. If we do, we have just turned a great percentage of people away from their possible path toward home, whereas in silence, yet by example, they may see what is within us and be content to follow the same path.

We use wisdom and not opinion. Sometimes silence and neutrality move mountains whereas 10,000 words tend ot get lost. When we look deeply within each religion including atheism we find so many similarities or differences but until we begin to respect those differences we will no doubt as a human race go through the hell that we need to until we learn. What we try so desperately to avoid sooner or later ends up on our agenda. Then we have to deal with our reactions to it. Loong, I hope that you do not mind my comments here??? You are also a precious friend. Blessed Be

Well, I guess I'm still ridged then.

Man is God... The God of very Gods... this I know.. we make our own heavens and our own hells.

To all,
Please jump in .This is a subject that makes one really search inside .If he has faith or beleifs,and why.I will tell you a story about blind faith.
This woman is preparing to cook a ham ,so she cuts a slice at both ends.Her daughter asks her ,why do you do this? the mother
answers ,my mother used to do this.So they phoned the grandmother.Do you know what her answer was? Well your granfather used to bring hams that were too big for my broiler,so I had to cut a slice at both ends.

This is the purest example of blind faith ,doing something ,not knowing why.

So I hope every person interested in Spirituality Will jump in.
and expose his/her view on the subject.

With loving kindness
_/\_
loong,a simple buddhist

Blind faith needs to be replaced with a spiritually scientific faith.

If you cannot prove it to yourself for yourself then it has no meaning for you.

This is where occult and esoteric gnostic mysticism studies fills the gaps in our understanding.

There is a great deal of inertia upon this planet.

And, all forms of religion do their part to fulfill our understanding.

I believe what you are balking at in your above example is human tradition which I agree is a bunch of malarkey but human beings are stubborn and resistant to change.

Yet change is the only constant in the universe.

Dear Burt B.

You wrote:spiritually scientific faith.

Could you explain to me ,what that refers to or means.
I have never heard this expression before.

Friend to friend

a simple buddhist named
loong

Well, there is an ancient science of the soul that antedates all of the worlds major religions and of which both the esoteric and esoteric traditions contain fragments.

Antediluvian mystery schools in Luxor and Memphis Egypt had writings that were lost many times over.

So handfuls of people were tasked with preserving them.

They are also recorded in the subtle spiritual substance known as akasha.

Yet this same knowledge and corresponding tools and techniques can be abused and perverted.

This happens on a mass scale through music, pop culture, advertising.

Those who have been using these tactics to extract money, labor and political power for thousands of years do not want you to know the proper spiritually scientific techniques and practices which can lead to your ultimate freedom and enlightenment.

So, there is great opposition to seeking and finding spiritual freedom and enlightenment.