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#729052 - 12/05/11 07:16 PM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
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Gecko
Registered: 01/29/11
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Truth is stranger than fiction. Sounds like they may need to have another election. As for the antics.....funny! Just the other day, I caught an interview with a retired Russian doctor. She collects a paltry sum for a pension, and needs to scrape by just to live. The impression she gave was that communism had its perks in certain respects: at least if you called for an ambulance, you were picked up and transported to a hospital and everyone was entitled to a state sponsored vacation. Nowadays, she claims that one is asked how old you are when you call for the ambulance, and if over a certain age (she was over 70), they laugh and hang up on you. This poor woman was told, "Poshla, Babushka" meaning... "Get going." And, of course, you and I know who truly is the puppeteer, and who pulls the strings, both in public and in private. The BIG P.
Edited by anna*AHHA* Ruscult* (12/05/11 07:17 PM)
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#729060 - 12/05/11 07:44 PM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
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Parakeet
Registered: 09/02/08
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I think this is true for all former USSR countries Anna.
Just the other day, I caught an interview with a retired Russian doctor. She collects a paltry sum for a pension, and needs to scrape buy just to live. The impression she gave was that communism had its perks in certain respects: at least if you called for an ambulance, you were picked up and transported to a hospital. Was in West Berlin for a year or so shortly before the wall fell (was pulled down), and was quite often in East Germany, where, despite the restrictions in force at the time, was able to meet quite a few people.
Folks we knew at that time might have had a very limited life as far as �freedom� in every sense of the word went, however there was �cradle to grave� care, equality for women, jobs for everyone���.although they often did not involve much as far work went, but there was still always a pay packet at the end of the week, and no chance of losing your job����etc. etc.
There was general euphoria when the Soviets were thrown out and communism discredited, however it did last long before reality hit. And amongst the worst hit were the women, because equality as they knew it flew out of the window along with communism.
Many of those we knew have long regretted the �fall of the wall�.
Communism had made a �Nanny� state and for many, especially amongst those who were not longer the youngest, it meant enormous change of culture and way of life, loss of jobs, security, and everything that goes with it.
And that includes a form of medical care that did not look at your birth certificate, although to be fair German medical care is amongst the best in the world, so that at least is not one of the problems.
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#729319 - 12/06/11 11:15 PM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
[Re: Francine - German Culture]
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Gecko
Registered: 01/29/11
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Hi Francine, What validity your statements have -- there is much suffering that persists. As for the BIG P - the demonstrations continue. The billoinaire Mikhail Prokhorov even speaks of the elections and the future in his blog. Here is my translation: "It's clear that on the whole the legitimacy of the authorities/those in power is on the decline. If nothing changes, then the design will disintegrate on its own. The system will not last another five years. And this means that there is a wide open field for new political thought, for new faces and new ideas. They must appear in the power of the party through the development of new parties, movements, independent centers of political and economic expertise." Mikhail is an interesting man, a tycoon, an elusive bachelor and there is a special on him on CNBC tonight @ 9 pm EST. I've also written about Prokhorov who was once asked: �what gift of nature he would like to have?� His answer was to understand women. Obviously, a very wise man to boot. http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art58335.asp
Edited by anna*AHHA* Ruscult* (12/06/11 11:17 PM)
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#729424 - 12/07/11 01:07 PM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
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Parakeet
Registered: 09/02/08
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Don�t know what the CNBC program covered Anna but Mikhail Prokhorov often says the right things, and if he actually means them that would be just great, but is he any more trustworthy than Herr P, or many others? Certainly he gets a great deal of press coverage in Europe, but much of it is not exactly positive.
At least he recently stopped supporting Russia�s 'Right Cause' party which was a government-backed political party, and has said that he will eventually represent the average Russian.
Friends who ski at the French resort he visits say he does not make a good impression, and there at least, who knows about anywhere else, it appears that his words about women do not seem to born out by his behavior towards them.
But hopefully some good will come out of the current �awakening� in Russia, for the sake of the people. To have billionaires who are amongst the richest people in the world, many with Russian Mafia backgrounds, while millions can hardly afford to eat, then something is not right with the way the country is being run at the moment.
Although the very fact that �the people� know the elections were corrupt is certainly a sign that freedom of information and speech is better than it has been at various times in the past.
The former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has even called for an annulment of the parliamentary election, so it will be interesting to see just how the situation develops in the next weeks.
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#729426 - 12/07/11 02:24 PM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
[Re: Francine - German Culture]
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Gecko
Registered: 01/29/11
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Hi Francine, Thanks for the post! It will be interesting to follow the post-election developments! I watched the CNBC special -- 60 minutes -- last evening about Mikhail Prokhorov and it was an updated special from a previous one a few months ago. He is well spoken if not brief in his responses and speaks both English and Russian well. This is a wonderful trait that I especially admire in Europeans: their fluency in multiple languages. (I'd love to have heard the interviewer conduct the interview in Russian!) This metals tycoon made a lot of $$ by selling ownership in a company he co owned prior to the market's decline. He's educated and we see the results of some luck, some work and ingenuity and friends in high places. The incident with the models in the Alpine resort of Courchevel was discussed too and apparently it was some sort of "misunderstanding." Trustworthiness? Your guess is as good as mine. I don't really catch much news on Prokhorov here, so you are much closer to the action than I. BBC is the best chance I have of getting a taste of what's going on or the net. In the end, I suppose that the same old story repeats itself throughout the ages: the haves and the have nots. The mob exists in varying degrees in many countries, no? Who knows, the Mayan prophecies may come to pass and there could be a change in consciousness, an awakening worldwide that will restore equilibrium in this crazy world we live in.
Edited by anna*AHHA* Ruscult* (12/07/11 02:27 PM)
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#730798 - 12/14/11 02:02 AM
Re: Putin and electoral fraud
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Zebra
Registered: 04/13/05
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Perfect!!! Oh I wish this was a commercial for the upcoming elections! With so many countries and people in the cross-roads of uncertainty, it's a bit like... Well, it's a bit like drowning in the Ocean, scrambling in desperation and GRABBING the first 'doughnut ring' thrown to them. As things are, health-wise/care, ambulance, etc... I don't have health insurance. well, guess what? If I dialed 911? An ambulance would be dispatched to my whereabouts. I would be taken to the hospital and made to wait, just like EVERYONE else (who does have healthcare) until they get to me. I know this as once upon a time I did have healthcare and I had something that ruptured on the inside and was bleeding internally. Waited for hours! I was conscious though, in and out and a strong personality. The staff was laughing and going back and forth in the operation room and I had it within myself to say, "YOU KNOW WHAT? NONE OF YOU ARE MAKING THIS ANY EASIER! WHERE'S THE DOCTOR?" Their response? "We don't even know if what you're experiencing is drug withdrawal! And we have limited doctors on staff tonight." So I asked for a blood test to move things along and 2 more hours later a doctor arrived. Whatever ELECTIONS drive for, across our lands, there's a much, much bigger organization going on. Believe it or not, but where single communistic, democratic civilizations have failed...they're trying to find a way to herd everyone into a world order that isn't going to be much different. You may get excited along the way, and even ticked off with whatever your current situation is, but there's a reason dictatorships, communism and tyrancy fails. In the end THE SOURCE, the individuals running the show are doing so in the name of control and greed. They don't live like the common person and wouldn't want to. Your efforts are going to their ends of mean...living on top of the world (litterally)! The answer, recognizing your common neighbor as the human being they are and not the enemy heads of state would like for you to believe. Power in numbers 
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