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Hi Ian,

What is the relationship between spells and free will? I would like to find a way to help soften the heart of my aunt toward our cat. She hates cats. She dislikes animals in general.

But how does a spell affect a person? I thought it cannot interfere with free will.

I have a few ideas I'll send you

Thanks, Ian!

Can love spells back fire? I did one as a teenager and swear that it made me more obsessed than the other way around. Although, a few odd things happened at the time saying that.

Is there anything that works which can bring someone you miss back into your life? When me and my friends used to "dabble" in the craft, only the bad magic seemed to come of anything - which was bad. I'd love to try some mentally and spiritual healing spells. There seems to be a lot of negative energy around my family sometimes and there was a person we knew obsessed with the dark arts who was in our lives via a friend - who I never felt brought anything good.

Yes love spells are renown for going horribly wrong (I'm just writing a book on love and magick) It looks like you have to start by working on yourself, possibly with the help of a counsellor who also has a magickal background. The best way of finding one is to go to one of the reputable organisation - such as one of the the Druid orders - and asking if any of their members are qualified counsellors.

On the magickal front start off small and work up. Simple candle spells for dissipation of negativity and protection, then invoking good luck and prosperity would be a good start. Smudge your home or room with Rosemary to thin out any 'stuck' chi, do some space clearing and look on the Feng Shui site here at Bellaonline to see how to arrange your environment to your best advantage.

Hope that helped

Will and intent is the key. If we feel that a spell-cast can go wrong it just might. Let the fear go!!! First of all our wish is not to harm anyone. Proceed in that light. Pull the power from within and be focused with it. I do not dabble in magic, I just do it. It is my way of life and I have no fear of it. What is more powerful, the magic and the spells or is it us? We hold the keys. We say, oh please keep them safe, oh I need to make sure that this is the right spell, oh I have to be so careful, etc, etc, etc. I cast daily and my intent is rock solid which makes it happpen. Quit doubting, place your pure intent behind your cast and don't let go. Now geting back to the cat and Aunt issue. She may never like an animal and that must be accepted if that is the case. If however you are really bothered by this then maybe the cosmos is giving you the tools to open up this channel and it will give you the ability to make the change. You know your Aunt and your cat better than anyone. Relax and just let your inner being come up with the solution. It is there. I can not go any further into detail on this but you already have the tools within to accomplish this if you have a firm resolve. The way that you do this may be totally different than the way I operate but that is as it should be. If you believe in yourself nothing is impossible. I hope that this helps.

Spells are best left alone, what comes around goes around and I think they do more harm than good. The angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot bought magic to the world but they told the people that magic was a test and that the knowledge was not to be abused, but the people used the magic to ruin relationships and other evil schemes. Also they were told that you cannot harm anyone if it is against the will of God. Miserable indeed is the price they sell their souls for.

Tarot counselling is also an option. But make sure that the reader is properly trained in counselling and a member of a regulated body such as the British Association of Counselling and Psychotherapy or equivalent where you live

A better question would be does freewill exist? Mentalists such as Derren Brown seem to show that a lot of what we think is freewill is unconscious conditioning and cultural indoctrination.

Discuss

Well, I think that the choices we make tend to be based upon unconscious conditioning and cultural indoctrination, for sure. But we still have free will. We can choose to break free of our past conditioning. We can choose anything. Try it.

When you have a choice before you (preferably one without dire consequences), consider all of your options. To expand further, invite a close and trusted friend to consider your choices and add one or two that you hadn't thought of. Then, think about why you might select any of one them.

Your future, at that point, could take any number of turns, depending upon your choice. It's that exciting? Pick one. Pick some. Pick all. Pick none.Sometimes, I don't want any of the choices before me and choose nothing, which of course, is a choice.

I have done this often because I really enjoy having free will. Sometimes, we have made some zany, unexpected choices that have taken us down some fresh paths. Sometimes, my choices have not led to desired outcomes.

So while the choices we make tend to be based upon subconscious processes, we still have the free will to choose. To further understand this, consider those who cannot exercise free will at all. The incarcerated, enslaved, infirm, infants.

Oh, we have free will, even if on a limited basis from a universal cosmic perspective. That is one of the keys to being in this human incarnation on this earthly plane of existence. At least that is what I believe or understand at this point in time. I'm open to learning more though so please enlighten me!

Nicely put. Taking time to consider, rather than just reacting is, in my mind, the essence of freewill. Doing this you also develop the sensitivity to the varying paths and influences that could flow from your choice.

I'll always remember looking at a book on hypnotherapy sensing the different paths my life could take depending on if I contacted the address in the back and enrolled or not. Very strange energies, particularly when I put the book back and walked away slightly as if leaving it. It was a situation best summed up by the film "Closing Doors" and was my first conscious experience of a nexus point in my timeline.

I will check out that book. Sounds intriguing.

This is the book: Paul Mckenna hypnosis book and the film was called "closing Doors" in the uk but now seems to be called "Sliding Doors"( The film) very interesting as it came out a few years after I qualified as a counsellor and hypnotherapist

Very interesting discussion here. We all have the option of free will -- some may prefer to let others control their life. As Ian says, "Taking time to consider, rather than just reacting is, in my mind, the essence of freewill. Doing this you also develop the sensitivity to the varying paths and influences that could flow from your choice."

As to whether or not one can overcome a spell placed on them by another, I believe that is very possible. If one has a strong constitution and has spiritually developed to higher levels, one can detect and overcome a spell if they so choose.

Also most spells on a person work by a sort of resonance. If you are happy, well balanced, and have a positive mental outlook most negative spells aimed your way bounce off like peashooter ammo off a tank as they have nothing to engage with.

I agree, Phyllis. So much as to do with the energy vibrations of the intention and the targeted person. I believe that some people vibrate at a higher level as to be unaffected by lower level vibrations like negative intentions, thoughts or spells.

Belief itself has a lot to do with the efficacy of such matters.

I agree with your theory and do believe. I am part native american and a ranking martial artist and can explain a little further one day.

Ian and Lori, I like the way you express the effects of a spell. I once (so many years ago) was talking to a friend and something hit me hard -- like a speeding car smashing me up against the wall psychically. I told my friend what was happening and he explained it was a psychic attack or spell. He sat with me for a few hours and worked with me to get through it and cast it off. From that time shocking experience I learned how to let attacks or spells "bounce off like peashooter ammo off a tank as they have nothing to engage with." (per Ian) It works, Ian.

TCW, I would like to hear more about your thoughts/experiences.

Hi TCW

As a ranking martial artist I thought you might like these two articles about Aikido from the Pagan Site:

Aikido Background
Personal experience of using Aikido