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On the Columbia River, bordering between Oregon and Washington, there has been a debate if sea lions that have come inland from the ocean (via the Columbia) should be killed. They are competing for salmon with the recreational fishermen.
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I didn't see anywhere in the article that it was that recreational fishermen were competing with the animals. It said this: "Those favoring the removal say the sea lions are damaging salmon runs listed under the Endangered Species Act and protected at great expense."
However, I believe that salmon are there for the wild animals - orca, sea lion, whatever. I don't eat salmon (actually, I avoid all salt water fish) because their shrinking numbers mean that more marine mammals are losing food sources.
There is a reason why those sea lions are coming inland - it's because they are slowly losing the battle against humans and are being forced to become creative. This is like when wolves start ranging into cities and people freak out - well, if you destroy their habitats, they have to go somewhere. Solution: DON'T DESTROY THEIR HABITATS AND FOOD SOURCE. We have to share the planet with everyone, we can't just rape everything for our own selfish wants. Notice I say WANTS, not NEEDS.
So maybe they ARE damaging populations under the ESA, which is a different story than commercial or recreational fishing. But still, there is ALWAYS a better solution than death.
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This issue has been going on for some time. There's a little bit of reading between the lines here. The fisherman are pretty upset over the coast ban (see link below). There is a bit of legal political jargon in order to justify getting rid of sea lions.
The commercial salmon runs are stopped this year on the coast because of not enough salmon. So they want the rivers for fishing.
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OH. Tear! The poor defenseless fisherman fighting with the Sealions for the bounty of the sea. Well, let's see. The sealions aren't doing it for the money, are they?
There's your answer as to why they want them killed...Getting in the way of the greenbacks.
Man, I wonder if we'll ever see the day when they'll declare open season on the fisherman......
If so, I wish to be the first to line up for a license.
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Yes, in the end it is always about money and/or power. Animals encroaching on populated areas for food is a tough subject and many people just look the other way. Traditionally, humans have not been good stewards of the land and water, so animals disappear.
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I checked out that link. That sucks. I honestly don't think we should be eating salmon at all. It really is leading to the declining population of so many animals (including my favorites - orcas.)
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Should Sea Lions be Killed? Definitely not! I'm totally against the Canadian seal hunt and culling any animal because they are an inconvenience to man.
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NO they should not be!! I'm for animal rights,and they have the right to live too!! N.
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Killing sea lions so they can get more money? What are they thinking?!
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Misguided... hmm.... Most of the rivers have put a ban on fishing for salmon. So they arn't competing with the seals. The salmon count is down almost 70%. Conservationalists (not just fisherman) are worried that within a year or two, there won't be any salmon left.
Take your pick, watch a species go extinct (pacific coast salmon) or pick off some seals.
If you are willing to fight for the animals.. don't forget to fight for both sides.
Last edited by Skeeter; 04/21/08 02:16 AM.
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On the contrary, Skeeter, no one would find a need to blast you, you've raised some excellent points. Your opinion is quite valuable.
Taking out dams is certainly not an option, not only do dams supply power, but Bonnevile in particular is probably quite useful in managing flood control downriver in Portland.
Then the next question in my mind would be: Are the sea lions (3-6, not sure how many) that have moved up river, the cause of the entire salmon supply diminishing? That would mean they are also the reason for the coastal fishing ban in CA & OR.
My original thought for this thread is not so much the political aspect of it as much as, is there a way to physically move them without killing them?
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I don't see why not.... tranq them, and drag them down the coast seems to come to mind. Although i am not sure how much this would affect their lives as they are quite territorial.
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Hi Friend's Animals encroaching on populated areas for food is a tough subject and many people just look the other way. Traditionally, humans have not been good stewards of the land and water, so animals disappear. __________________ Reduce Carbon
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