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Thanks Ann.

I am not sure why that scene stuck out in my mind. Like Lynn said, maybe it was poetic license, maybe it was because of his suffering, maybe women in those days just did that sort of things, I don't know. It was a profound moment of many in the movie for me for some reason. Thanks all for the discussion about this.

I didn't see this movie and personally not interested to see it too although if I can see it in my house will see some sections.
Jesus wasn't first nor last one who died for his claim.
I announce that "dislike seeing anybody harm because of me and my sin". I can't accept anybody punished instead me, beside I couldn't realize why Jesus did it for me.

First the blood wiping -- this is more of a historical rather than biblical portrayl of what occured. There is no significance biblically. What you can take from it is how much his mother was made to suffer and how brutally cruel the Romans were to the Isrealites.

The Passion of Christ is more than the cruxifiction of Jesus, it is also the story of a mother's suffering. Don't forget that Mel Gibson is Catholic and the Virgin Mother holds a very sacrid place in Catholicism.

As for is Jesus God. I could give you countless amount of historical and biblical facts to prove what you close your heart to. If you are truly interested in finding out was Jesus God there are two books I recommend.

The Jesus I never Knew by Philip Yancey
The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel

If you truly want to explore the question was Christ God these books will be a good start for you.

Here are some questions to ponder:

1) Would you brutally die a torturous death for a lie?
2) All the disciples who fled when Jesus was arrested died horrible tortureous deaths for preaching that he was the Son of God. Would cowards die painful deaths for a leader who was already dead?
3) If he is not God does his death have any meaning?
4) If he only thought he was God and went to his death due to a delusion could he really be a great Master, prophet and someone to follow? David Keresh thought he was the Son of God too.
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You are right the creature is Satan. The child is a reference to Revelation, also written by John. The passages in Revelation that depict the whore of babylon and the dragon is the spiritual version of Christ's time on earth. That book is complicated and often misinterpreted so I'll leave it at that.

For those Christians who feel that the movie is an unnecessary violent portrayl of the final moments of Jesus' Life and refuse to watch it should rethink their stance. In today's world the atrocities we see on the TV whether in the news or on movies pails in comparision to what Jesus went through. Horror was a common occurance in everyday life during this time. Executions, terribly painful ones at that, were entertainment. We cannot fully comprehend what Jesus choose to endure for our sins and until we do we cannot fully appreciate our salvation.

That said I've only watched the movie once. The next day was Communion Sunday and no communion before that Sunday or since that Sunday ment so much. I finally fully understood for one emotional, spiritual, intellectual moment what it meant to eat of his body and drink of his blood. It was the most spiritual moment of my life for I finally understood what sacrifice meant.

That was my thoughts as well. Those 2 women loved him so much. Blood is the life force of a person and it felt like they were trying to protect him somehow. As a mother myself with a son, I couldn't imagine the pain this woman suffered. To have to sit there and see your son like that.

I do not think that it was a choice for the women to do this. I think it was a requirement of the family of the prisoners. The Romans would have forced the families to clean up after them to make the families suffer and to punish them for the prisoners crimes.

Family back then was different then today and the crimes of one individual condemned the whole family. Ben Hur is an example of this type of state sanctioned punishment. When his wife and child are put into prison for his accidental crime.

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1) Would you brutally die a torturous death for a lie?

Depends on the lie!!! if it would save someone I loved then yes to make myself look good no!

2) All the disciples who fled when Jesus was arrested died horrible tortureous deaths for preaching that he was the Son of God. Would cowards die painful deaths for a leader who was already dead?

mmm I think it would depend on there nature. I dont think a coward would hold fast to a belief that would kill him or her! truth or lie!!! but a better Question would be What had the POWER to change a Coward so much so that they Willingly died for there leader?

3) If he is not God does his death have any meaning? Yes!! His life has Great meaning because He lived and set the example and showed us how to live. Jesus did not oppess about how He was born from a Virgin he talked about how to live and better yet he LIVED it!!! Jesus deflected worship from his self and reflected it to God OUR Father in heaven!

4) If he only thought he was God and went to his death due to a delusion could he really be a great Master, prophet and someone to follow? David Keresh thought he was the Son of God too.

mmm but David Keresh was not Perfect!!! David was no where near perfect!!! Jesus walk the walk and talked wisely and proved his self where David just talked loud long and stupidly!!! his walk was nonexisted so Jesus could not be delutional like David be cause he was aware of His actions and the consquentses there of!!!

oh yeah Im (freebubbles the 3rd time around!!!) BACK!!! lol I have got married and have moved and just got my computer up and going!!! so Where is everyone? this place was lively back in the day. did Bella die and I miss the funnural?

I have missed you Carennedy

I am a christian and I hated the movie!!! maybe it was because it was not in English maybe it was because my husband fell asleep in the middle!!! It just some how made a mockery out of the life and death of Jesus. it was like a freak show or for personal gain. to me there was not passion and It did not tell the whole story just a small glimpse of a Whole live and death! He overcame the grave but at the end the only thing that stuck in my mind was the violents!! I did not remember Jesus as a Savior or a Leader or even that he was a man much less God!!!

I felt cold, empty, and dry!

it was a dehuminized version of what in my mind Should have been a very personal!

I took it as a publicity stunt something just to get people in the movies house to make lots of$$$.

All in all I am Sorry I watched it! but maybe its just me

See, I didn't get that all. I felt it made me realize exactly what Jesus suffered for me. People do not realize the torture and hgumiliation He suffered for us and I felt that movie brought it to light.

Mel Gibson even refused to put the extras on the DVD and the "making of" because he didn't want to humanize the movie.