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#281001 11/19/06 06:19 AM
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Hi Jennie
Good to see you <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It does sound like you've had a big clear out of the old (painful at the time) to make way for the new...which is much better for you.

I had a patch a bit like this earlier in the year. A clairvoyant friend was shown a sword & told they were 'tempering' me. 'Bad tempering me' it felt like at the time, but now I'm through it I can see that the experience has made me stronger.

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Ravenstar, Karma is both timeless and non-judgemental... it's not a punishment, it's a consequence. From this morning, yesterday, last year, last lifetime.

It just is.
You do something, and it has a consequence. For everyone. Like ripples in a pond, what we say think and do always has a result, both or us, and the world at large.

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Bad-tempering! I love it. I think that's a keeper.
So Alexandra, I'm interested... say your computer unexpectedly fries. Is that occurance a karma related event? I can't see how that is a consequence of one's actions unless you'd been rough with or neglectful of your equipment. Now how you respond to said computer frying... now that's understandably a karma generator! One can take it philosophically and respond to the situation by looking for the opportunity or lesson, or one could throw the computer at the wall and incur a lot of grief from the landlord.
I am not being glib here, because I do believe that our actions and even thoughts have consequences, I am just not sure how that relates to breaking machinery... or glass for that matter! ( I just heard the sound of breaking glass from the kitchen where my husband is doing dishes... that's 4 so far for the week... <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />)


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The law of Karma is both extremely simple, yet at one and the same time, devilishly complex... Just as an aside, the Buddha taught that there are four imponderables - four topics which it is futile trying to get your head around, because the complexities can drive a person insane - one of these 'Four Imponderables' is the Law of Karma...because we are influenced by the karma of others too, of course - of our family and loved ones, of our neighbours, of our community...even the Karma of our country....
So he suggested - as you yourself, have worked out, in your post - that it little matters the 'why' of things happening. The important is 'How' we deal with them as they land before us....

Karma is timeless...so it could be said to affect your computer, as it might once upon a time have affected your quill and ink....

Do you know that poem, about the nail ?

For want of a nail, the shoe was lost,
For want of the shoe, the horse was lost,
For want of the horse, the rider was lost,
For want of the rider, the battle was lost,
For want of the battle, the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail!

I think Benjamin Franklin penned this one...doubtless with HIS quill and ink....

With regard to another aspect of Karma, there is the story of the horse farmer whose prize stallion runs off....
His neighbours comiserate, but their laments turn to congratulations when the son, having gone out to find this escaped horse, returns with both the stallion, and several fresh, wild mares too...

"Who knows what is good? Who knows what is Bad?"

...But the son, in trying to tame the mares, is thrown, and his leg is shattered....

This means that when the Emperor's Army comes recruiting, and takes every single eligible young man in the village, this boy is left behind...

"Who knows what is Good? Who knows what is Bad?"

This is why Karma is neither judgemental, nor comprehensible, to its fullest extent...
we simply have to deal with it, as it is, when it is, however it is.

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Alexandra, thanks for the note. I especially resonated with the idea that we can feel the effects of our country's karma - which when you look at it is the willing participation in the will and workings of a political being. A country's decision to invade, to offer aid, to turn a blind eye... has got to result in some pretty significant karma. In fact, it might be seen that the whole world has at times been sick with the heavy karma the actions of many have caused. I would believe then that if that can be so, so too will the goodwill of many lighten the weight of the world so to speak. Now that's a thing worth living for.
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My pleasure Trish, glad to have helped.
This - if I may digress onto a personal note - is one of the many reasons why I am 'attracted' to Buddhism.

The Buck stops here.

We may not be to blame for it all, but our responsibility lies within ourselves to act and to respond constructively.

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Does anyone have any insight about major "badness" that keeps reoccuring in some people's lives? For example, my mother-in-law was married to my husband's father, who committed suicide when he was 6. She later went through 2 not-so-good marriages, but finally found someone she truly loved again. This past May, after 6 months of marriage, she and her new husband were in a motorcycle accident, and he may never walk again. I count the 2 middle marriages as bad choices, but the 1st and 4th just seem incredibly unlucky...

Most of the other incidents indicate things that happen on a bad day or week, but what about major reoccuring things? Just curious what other people think...

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Hi Froggie

Poor lady- what a lot to cope with. The working of karma does go some way to explaining why bad things happen to good people. We haven't always had 'good' lives & we may have committed some terrible cruelty in a past life. The karmic scales will always balance out- but sometimes not in the life when the acts were perpetrated. The good news is she is now 'clearing karma' on a grand scale in this lifetime & if she continues to be a pleasant caring individual despite her difficulties she will reap the benefits of her positive actions- whether in this life or the next.

It all seems very harsh, but you have to keep reminding yourself that you are the same soul, life after life, & this is part of the learning process. Take a read of Alexandra's long post on page 1 too- very wise comments. Who knows good & who knows bad?

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With metta, Lauren....

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Alexandra, I too like the concept that the buck stops here.
I resist the Christian idea of "the Devil made me do it" as Flip Wilson used to say (oh gee, that dates me, doesn't it?) because it absolves the individual of ultimate responsibility for their behaviour. The idea that behaviour follows us from lifetime to lifetime is terrifying, yet satisfyingly just in some ways. I suppose it is one faith/cultural answer to the eternal question of why bad things happen to entirely good people. It is some small comfort I guess when you are in the midst of a string of terrible events like Froggie's folks.


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