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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Meg; I don't think it is 2 issues at all.

Those that view child pornography are just as culpable as those who make it; for the reasons Lisa stated. They help to create the environment that makes these films "profitable".

There are some who do the filming as part of their sickness and would do it anyway, I'm sure. But I truly believe there are those scavengers out there that have no interest in the pronography itself, but do it solely for the money.

I liken it to someone hiring a hitman. The person who does the hiring is just as guilty of murder as is the person who pulled the trigger.


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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Meg; I don't think it is 2 issues at all.

Those that view child pornography are just as culpable as those who make it; for the reasons Lisa stated. They help to create the environment that makes these films "profitable".

There are some who do the filming as part of their sickness and would do it anyway, I'm sure. But I truly believe there are those scavengers out there that have no interest in the pronography itself, but do it solely for the money.

I liken it to someone hiring a hitman. The person who does the hiring is just as guilty of murder as is the person who pulled the trigger.


You are right!

Both are guilty!

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While Lisa was starting this thread I had posted the following on the Child Abuse Forum.

I'm horrified that a three time convicted pedophile not only walks the streets but continually re offends and our system lets him go just months after each conviction.

First conviction he served 16 months
Second conviction he served 56 months
Third conviction he served 12 months

NOW he's missing and so is a 10 year old boy..... http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/sk/MediaReleases/zachary_miller_e.html

In October of 2000 a national news reporter who thought that a neighbourhood was wrong to run him out of town sat down with him to tell his side... well I wonder does she feel that those who ran him out of town are still wrong?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a780efc0-0245-4189-b6a1-af7418f12ede

Has the pendelum swung far enough to the liberal side yet? Can it start coming back towards the conservative side? Can we start seeing more rights for victims and less rights for the criminals?

The boy was found and I am not sure what has happened to the pedophile since. He gave himself up when they promised he would not be charged as a dangerous offender. As a dangerous offender he'd get life, as a pedophile he'd get months.

With one of his arrests in the past he was caught with a rape kit. Not wanting to go into every item he had, there was one that is applicable to this thread - he had kiddy porn.

No one who feels kiddy porn should be legalized has posted here, but in case one is watching, how would you like it if it was your kid in those pictures?

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Unfortunately, those who make child porn often use their own children, children they have access to or those children closest to them.


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yep!! and i HAVE to dis agree with Bella about it being part of there SICKNESS!!! its a choice like driving drunk or doing drug but once an offender always an offender!!! as long as the genral pop call it a sickness they WILL WALK and nothing will EVER BE DONE about it!!! If an alchoholic drinks and drives its man slaughder it a petophile abuses kids it should be at LEST 20 yrs. think about it if he abuses his 4yr old son and gets out in less then 10 he WILL do it again!!! my mom works in a prison with many sex offender and the wivies and mother of the kids abuse try and do bring there kids to see the man that hurt them!!! and if not the moms then the moms of the inmate!!! so just try to tell me the kids are going to be safe when they get out!!! just tryit!!! and anyone can make a psychologist believe they are rehabilitated they just learn awhat they want to hear and tell them im sorry ill never do it again bs and it works!!!


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Freebubbles, I never intended to use the word "sickness" as an alibi or an excuse - sorry if I came across that way.

I was just trying to doferntiate bewtween those that filmed these types of films that "got off on it" (I called those sick), and those that did it just for the money.

In actuallity both types of people are sick, or at least make me so! <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />


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The point was made in another thread that a pedophile who is not "Actively touching other children" - i.e. who is just sitting home watching child porn on the internet - is not causing any harm to anybody and should be accepted.

This leads to the question - is child pornography harmless?

It is in fact illegal to have child pornography. So the courts have already decided the answer is YES.

There's of course a reason for this. Child pornography involves ... children. Somehow a child was put in front of that camera and made to do harmful acts. The person who is watching it is creating the audience for these children to be harmed. If nobody watched child porngoraphy, then nobody would make child pornography. It stands to reason.

So anybody who is sitting home looking at child pornography on the internet IS causing harm - just as anybody sitting home watching videos of women being raped against their will in "torture chambers" is causing harm. If there wasn't an audience for watching painful activities, then there wouldn't be an industry which deliberately set up these situations to be filmed.

It's one thing to watch a film with consenting adults acting in it. It's another thing to watch a film with people having things done to them without their consent - adult or otherwise.


Child pornography in any form should be condemned.

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Without a hint of doubt, child pornography should be illegal-- there was a news item on about a month ago about parents selling lewd photos and videos of their children online which just simply blows me away...As if abusing your child isn't enough, you are exposing them to more abuse by strangers even though they may not be in contact with the actual perp... I encourage everyone to report this type of behavior to NCMEC's online reporting program called CyberTipline, it will save a child from further abuse!


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Several people have made the comment about "what if it was your own kid". I think the sad fact is that people who feel this way about kids feel this way about all kids. It's an empathy issue. Instead of being concerned with the child's state of mind, they are more concerned with their own pleasure. So that takes precedence. It's just like families that have lots of kids and sell a few into slavery so they don't have to take care of them, plus they get some extra cash too. They look at kids sort of as "cattle", not as little human beings with valid emotions.

If you look at the statistics of children who were molested - and see what percentage were done by family members - it tends to bear this out. It's sad, but true.


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Definitely child porn should be illegal. I believe studies have shown that porn does incite violators to act on their fantasies. The sexual predator is an entirely separate class of psychological stew anyway, and pedophiles are definitely sexual predators. I believe that those looking are also most likely doing or will attempt to do so. Plus, just like a couple might watch porn for "ideas", so do predators. It's a training class.

Could you provide some links to those "studies" ? Every study I have ever seen says there is no link to watching CP and actually carrying it out. Less than 10% of people viewing it move on to actually becoming involved. I am not advocating either, but you should get your facts straight.

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