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Hi I am new to this forum and have read many of the posts and responses regarding the Bible and Evolution and I would like to say something on the subjects if I may.

First, let me start by saying that the Bible is a literary and mathematical miracle.

The 66 books of the Bible as we know it today were written by men from every level of political and social life. From fishermen to shepherds. From physicians to priests to kings and not one of them knew that here works would be combined into this one book yet every piece fits in with every other piece.

Every Hebrew and Greek letter, the languages the bible was written in, stands for a number. The numeric value of a word would be the sum of its letters. Every passage in the bible teems with numeric designs and features, demonstrating its inspiration with the certainty of a proposition in geometry.

No other piece of literature in the world is known to contain such amazing numerical construction.

In addition to this, the Bible reveals that God associated different numbers with different doctrines and things.
Sin has a number as does Redemption, Ressurection, Judgment, etc...

From the beginning to the end, these numbers remain the same. An example is the number "7"-Completeness: 7 days in a week, 7 years of plenty, 7 years of famine, 7 times around Jericho, wash in Jordan 7 times.

It is absolutely impossible that some 40 men over a period of 1600 years could have planned these two categories of numberic patterns-- design upon design-- interlocking the entire book into one continuous, harmonious scheme.

There needs to be no other proof that the whole Bible has one author. God Himself.

2Peter1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

This wonderful book has stood the tests of time, archaeology, scientific accuracy and fulfilled prophecy

Cities and empires have faded away but the Bible remains indestructible despite its many enemies and critics. Its pages have pointed the way for millions thru ages to find peace, forgiveness, joy and the way to Heaven.

Is it any wonder the devil has tried in every conceivable way to discredit it, mis-quote it, mis-interpret it and keep people from reading, believing and obeying it? I think not.

Matthew 24:35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass.

Luke 4:4 - Jesus answered...Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

John 20:31- These are written that ye might believ that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name.


As for evolution, let me start by saying that there is a missing link between ape and man. If evolution was true, there would be no missing link.

Here are some other thoughts on the subject as well:

None of the sciences can prove the theory of evolution. Not biology, not embryology, Paleontology, Anthropology, Thermodynamics or Mathematics.

All life will produce like life. Not one case of spontaneuos or accidental generation has ever been observed.

In every species, the number of chromosones in every cell is exactly the same:

Each cell in a housefly has 12 chromosones.
" " " " lily has 24 chromosones.
" " " " ox has 38 chromosones.
" " " " man has 46 chromosones

The only exception is those species which produce by sexual attraction. In these the chromosones of the reproductive system is halved; e.g. In a man the sperm has 23 chromosones. In a woman the ova has 23 chromosones so when the two come together, there are 46.

I have much more to say on these but will let you digest what I have written so far. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sorry my rant is so long.

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Welcome to the forum my friend.
Great post. Evolution is something that many of us here are also opposed to the idea of.

I liked what you said about the bible being a mathematical miracle.

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From the beginning to the end, these numbers remain the same. An example is the number "7"-Completeness: 7 days in a week, 7 years of plenty, 7 years of famine, 7 times around Jericho, wash in Jordan 7 times.


These numbers however do not make the bible a miracle. I have no doubt some of the people that wrote in those chapters were inspired by God, some even as prophets.
But your example of 7 doesnt make the bible a mathematical miracle. Ive heard of this before and im sure you can explain it better...
Please dont feel offended im not trying to be patronising I would really like to know as this really interests me! :-)

Welcome again, Ali


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No offense taken, Sir. The best Christians still have questions. I will delve on it more when I can. I am just tickled that someone, especially you, responded to the message finally. It looks like everyone stopped coming in here around May or so. lol. I say you because I enjoyed reading the other posts that you had friendly arguments with about the Bible and its validity to being the Word of God.

I will try to respond with more either this afternoon or tonight and thank you for the warm welcome to the forum. I hope the others will come back as well.

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Do not be surprised my friend. It is in my nature to ask and learn. It is a command of Allah and the prophet Muhammad to seek knowledge and educate ourselves on everything we can.

You may benefit in a book called 'evolution Deceipt - The collapse of Darwinism' by the Author Harun Yahya.
He is a famous author from Turkey of many books that have been translated into many languages.
The book is a tool for people like you and I who refuse to believe in evolution. It details every known step of life and proves each step has the signiture of intelligent design to it.
If you go to the website below you can download documentaries and the book is also available free as an ebook.
www.harunyahya.com


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Thank you, Kibrisli. I will be sure to check it out. I am ot a bit surprised for you to be asking and learning. Every step of Christianity is a learning step.

I too ask and learn all of the time. If I don't understand something about the Bible or my Christianity, I definitely ask someone about it.

I do know that I was taught that the Bible is the Word of God and that Satan has tried to manipulate it over the years and until someone can actually prove that it isn't the Word then I will continue to faithfully believe it is while I learn so much more about it.

Again, my friend. Thank you for the website and I will be going to check it now. Take care and will get back to you later.

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There is no evidence that God dictated the Bible or inspired one word of it!


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I don't have time right now to go over every point of evidence that proves that loveapple's claim regarding the Bible.

If you are truly seeking answers though may I suggest:

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There is no evidence just belief, which is entirely different!


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Many will have read what I had to say about a very similar question in the Who founded Christianity forum.

Link to that Forum

Here is a quote from that forum:

The Gospels were written with 100 years of Jesus death by those who saw him and knew him or knew disciples.

There are 5000 copies of the gospels and thousands of more fragments that date within 55 years of the original Gospels being written. These books and fragments were collected throughout the lands from Isreal to Rome. To compare this to other ancient documents, there are 7 copies of Plato's works. There is only 1 copy of Tactis's Annuals of Imperial Rome. There are 9 copies of historian Josephus's book The Jewish War, these copies are dated centuries after the originals.

When these books were compared it was found that 98.5% the same. The other 1.5% were found to be grammatical and spelling differences. Not differences in dogma.

Although there are thousands of translations of the Bible, (if you take into consideration the number of languages and the number of versions.) when compared they say the same thing. Want proof, read the Case for Christ and the Case for the Bible by Lee Strobel. He interviewed a number of scholars and then wrote these books about what they told him.

The multiple translations only mean that Christianity is universal and accessable to all cultures. The same can not be said of many of the other religions where you would have to learn a whole new language and adopt a whole different culture to be accepted.


The old testament:

The dead sea scrolls were discovered in 1947 and they included all the books of the old testament except Esther. When compared to today's versions they were almost exactly the same.

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This question was discussed in the Holy Bible Forum as well.

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