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I know that but i was just thinking if there were more men called virgins in the bible men would not use it as a doublt stander to trick women in to bed.

and as for Jesus dieing on the cross I agree that it is imortant but... there is SOO MUCH MORE to us then His death. and to moder people today they dont see why some one has to die for there sins and when they see us walking around in the same shape (physicly,emontionaly, and otherwise) or worse and the only thing we focus on is that are God's sent his son to die for us and the are the brother-sisters of Christ. Whats God gonna to them next and? and I dont want God if i have to focus on dieth all the time even if Jesus did raise form the dead. its depressing.

I hope this made scence. but do you see where i was going with that. that instead of convenseing them that the story of Jesus is true by proveing that he was born and Dead the was He did and Raised form the dead. why cant we teach the Life of Jesus. there is a wealth of micicals and lessons there that many people (christian or not)have not heard but could relater to beter. I am not saying that we should ignore it but find a balance some where. sorry if i sounded demening. I tend to type what i think with out thinking about how it reads to someone else if we we're face the face i could tell by your reaction and stop and explane my point in a better way. but i am working on it *smile*

I agree that we could talk for years, just from the teachings of Jesus. We can focus on the joy that knowing Jesus brings and the good that Christians do in His name. All wonderfull things. But everything comes back to His sacrifice. We have to accept that or there is no Christianity.

I don't think anyone is going to try to better themselves and behave according to Bible teachings for very long (we all try on a short term basis) without accepting Jesus as Savior and knowing why. Because it takes that to receive the Holy Spirit and it is the Holy Spirit who is our inner guidance. He is the one Who causes the changes.

i agree but when you are a Christian and Hear it Sunday after sunday...the "Baby" christians start to wonder is that all there is? and the older Christians get board and want to know more but have trouble understanding areas and start asking question and get pointed back to where they started. ahhhhhhhhhhh thats me I got a lexcon/concordens and that helps but i find for the most part the commentarys are just opoions of what they intureact the bible to say and some are great others are questionable!!! have you heard about the Baptist Church that has been pickating funarials of severive men because they truly believe that its Gods punishing amarica for all the gays? i live in the area (ks ok and tx im tx) i have a very hard time believeing that God wants me to go out and pickit funnels or bash all millitary people because of a few gays in my country!!! i also question the story of Sodom and Gamorria being about Gays being wrong I thing the very fact that Lot throw out his daughter to a pack of men is wrong and the fact that the daughter got pregent by there father is wrong but no one else around here sees that part and if one does they justifie it!

Most churches (if they pay attention) seem to get the idea that there are 2 parts to being a good church.
1. Spreading the word to the lost
2. Nurturing and supporting the flock

Those that are lost need the story of Jesus' sacrifice and birth- the fact that He was willing to give up His glory to become one of us, just so He could relate to us and eventually be our Salvation. (And every now and again I know I need to be reminded of it again, too!)

But then you are right, every Sunday should not be about that. Because growing Christians need to learn more. We need more "in depth" stuff. We need to learn about Jesus' every day life to strive to become like Him (or as close as possible.)

But on the other hand, it is our repsonsibility to seek this out, too. We can come together in Bible studies, go to seminars, look online (like here <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />), etc. Part of maturing in Christ is knowing that we need to know more and taking the responsibility for finding it out for oursleves. To go back to the baby illustration: we can't be spoonfed forever. But for the un-saved, they often don't go looking so it is up to us to bring it to them - or at least offer it.

right thats my point... so how can i convey that to hard headed Paster/ churches with out getting the You need to be Saved and lisson to the word of God...I have been amember of the same church for 13 years and use to be the first one there and the last one to leave.. if i havenot heard the Word then Im not going to hear it. and the church i have been going to....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" />im trying new one but i hit the same wall. to me this is the best church... <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

ok live in the upper part of tx check out this site
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/aboutwbc.html
read that then click on See the WBC Monograph.
and you will better understand where i am coming from. this is a Bapist church site and the are controvercla to say the very lest... but i am afraid they will get more popular. this is not a joke and i would not go to this site if your kids are around and old enought to read and understand it...
they pickit funnerals of service men and women!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> [color:"red"] [/color] whats wrong with the christians here???

Freebubbles, I have never told anyone to leave a church - ever. But I'm telling you now that no one who wants to follow Christ should attend that church.

Those slogans a horrible. (I did not read the whole thing - I got the idea) I think God hates anyone who would display those signs. These people are not Christians. They only call themselves that and they don't know anything about grace.

the church is not in my state but alot of people thing picketing funnerals are wrong but bashing gays and taking an active stance (picteting with those tpye of sighs) is ok
i have this grimm feeling that its going to spred and snowball to inclued anyone who is different then them except maybe the Jews because there Gods choose. and no im not parinoid. i think it will move slowly and maybe silently. so slowly that christians will think its ok because its the genral oppinoin. may be a sign of the times? maybe this is how the Holy Wars started?... I really think something needs to be done but not one church has stood up to say out right that this is WRONG. they do how ever say that picking on service men and women and funnarals at that is not condoned but i wonder how much of that is just PR control?!!? see the dalima?

they have know, by law been ordered to stay 50 feet away i think from funerals but the have stated that wont stop them from doing Gods will... some ones doing to die because of this...

I know you guys are way past this but I just wanted to drop my 2 cents worth in...

I like to think my DNA was changed when i was saved. Remembering back 15 years seems like I am seeing someone else, like in a movie. The person I was then and the person I am now are so completely different.