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Do you believe in a type of "Divine Intelligence" Ice?
Me -- no. Buddhism -- don't know. I do believe in some kind of supreme order (such as karma), but not an individual-specific divine intelligence.


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Out of curiousity, Ice, if there is an "order" would that mean something is orchestrating it? Some intelligence? Because it seems like the natural state is chaos...and something inserts itself to interject order, laws of the Universe, etc.

Of course, I might just be thinking of all the toys that end up on the living room floor in a days end. LOL <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Out of curiousity, Ice, if there is an "order" would that mean something is orchestrating it? Some intelligence?
No, not intelligence. Consequences of choices.


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Ah, OK. Thanks!

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I was walking down the street, about to cross the busy intersection, when a hand grabbed me by the shoulder and pulled me backwards...just before a car that I hadn't seen flew by me. I looked back to thank the person who had saved my life...and there was no one there.

I myself had a similar experience. I was in a car accident where my car rolled onthe freeway. I rolled three times and slid across the freeway to the other side. I should have died. Just when the car began to go over, I felt this pressure on my head and shoulders pushing me into the steering wheel. I could fell and hear the car crunching and smashing but I was not hurt. I repeat I was not hurt at all. I had one small cut on my ankle. To this day I believe that this was not my time to die. God had a mission for me. It took many years after this for me to come to the understanding that I had a purpose. I still don't know what that is...lol...but I definatly was not ready to die then. When I felt the pressure on my head and shoulders I remember saying out loud Thanks God it's been a great life... and I think He answered me by saying I'm not done with you yet.

To me, He is the One having the ultimate sense of humour and the youngest heart around. That's why the moments when I feel the closest to God are those full of laughter and joy, and energy. Whenever something unwanted happens in my life, I always think of it as of one of the unpredictable turns of His grand experiment, and this sort of inspires me with optimism and energy to go on and solve this new puzzle.
What an insopiring perspective!! I also see Him this way. In the Gospels I always hear the laughter in the voice of Jesus.

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I say a 'god' is someone/thing that creates realities and 'sculpts' them. Therefore we are all gods waiting to achieve our truest potential (or as said enlightenment)


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My past hold much pain and loss. I will conquer it by creating the perfect future ~Ixidor the Reality Sculptor (Magic the Gathering)~
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I've been wanting to post my feelings on this subject for a while, yet i've often asked myself if an understanding of God can be confined to words alone.

What I feel about God, is a knowing that words could never describe, a feeling so deeply embedded within me that just to even try to describe it brings so much emotion to my soul and my eyes well up.

I do not know any other word other than love to descibe God, yet it seems insufficent in itself. Unconditional love, no matter what. A presence that is always there, a friend beyond comparison, a beauty beyond belief a loving beyond understanding, hope beyond hope.

It's my belief in God that makes God what God is to me. I am the one that allows myself to experience the wonder of God by opening myself up and saying, hey, this is me, I'm not perfect, I've done things that I'm not proud of, yet you are still with me, arn't You.

I felt like I was an orphan child before I acknowedged God's existence. And yes, I continue to battle at times with this life, yet I know that I must find the answers on my own and defeat the battles in order to grow. I see a method a design a purpose.

God to me is all He is to everyone else, an almighty Lord, a supreme being, yet it is the personal relationship that i have with God that touches me like no other. I only wish I could find the words, perhaps if you had the ability to look into my eyes you would see, and you would know, where words fail, the window of the soul reveals.

Yet I am saddened, saddened, that if so many of us would describe God as love, why we cannot see that we also are love. I am saddened that we can paint a beautiful picture of God, yet forget that he is with us all the time and helping us on our journey. Am I not my brothers keeper? Are we not all one and the same?

I once heard a wonderful quote, it said, that God is the world's largest jigsaw puzzel, because within us all exists a small part. I often wonder what a wonderful thing it would be if one day that jigsaw puzzel could be completed.

When I love my fellow human being, whether it be just a smile to a stanger in the street of a look of love to my husband, I see God more then than at any other time.

What is love, if it cannot be shared?

I love you my Father, even before I was born.

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That is very beautiful, Goosie. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You echo many of my own experiences with the Divine.

Jenna, have you ever seen Matthew: The Visual Bible? I have it on video and love it. The actor who played Jesus portrayed him as the "laughing Jesus". It's awesome.

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Thank you Janet.

Your comment about a laughing Jesus, I have to be honest and say I cannot relate. Not only does the Bible never state that Jesus laughed, but moreso, it tells of the many times that Jesus felt the hurt and cried. I often wonder if Jesus was saddened when He came to visit us all and this is why He wept. I do not see Jesus as laughing, full of love and compassion yes but not laughing in a joking way.

Perhpas that is just my perseption, yet I would be interested to know where it states that Jesus laughs or whether this is merely the state of being portrayed by the video.

Lucy


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I never related to a laughing Jesus either, Lucy, until I got therapy for depression while in College, came across a fantastic radio minister with a show called "Let's Talk About Jesus", and got free from the fearful and contricting trappings that often accompanies the religion of Christianity (as opposed to the direct experience with Jesus.)

Texts of the Bible have been corrupted by translations, and if you have a dry, uptight, and unhappy person translating the texts (not to mention demonination, let's say) you'll have that flavor of the texts.

I see Jesus as very happy and joyful, welcoming children and loving to spend time with people--and alone. Like any human, I'm sure he had a full range of emotions. Jesus' irony can be seen in many texts (like saying to Nathaniel "I've not seen a more honest man..." when Nate says "Can aything good come out of Nazareth?"

It's in the subtext. I guess it depends on what you bring to the table, as well as what you want, and are ready and willing, to see. Much like interacting with and experiening any other human, methinks! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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