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#147545 - 04/25/03 11:59 AM question  
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I've been drifting around checking out the various belief systems here.
I visited your site and biography. I read:
(I eventually went to Bible College and majored in Pastoral Ministry/Theology,)
Doesn't your belief now contradict what you studied?
Does your husband share your beliefs? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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#147546 - 04/28/03 05:58 AM Re: question  
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Hello Franki,

Traditional Christianity was a part of my past as a minister, and a part of my "official" training. While I still esteem the Bible and follow Christ, I realized that there was much more to the Bible, Jesus, and spirituality than mainstream Christianity and Bible College taught me. I have went from "the letter" (dogma, literal translations) to "the spirit" in my own personal evolution and growth.

Following on the heels of my first husband's death, I entered a time of great healing, restoration, and growth. (I officiated over my husband's funeral, actually). Is he the "husband" you're referring to? I re-married a year after his death and my current husband and myself will be celebrating our 6 year anniversary in August.

The subsequent years have been a roller coaster ride! Since I don't state my beliefs on my bio or here at this site, I'm not sure how to answer the "contradictory" element of your question. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I will say that my beliefs are not mainstream Christianity, and I would be considered a heretic and an apostate, no doubt, according to traditional standards of what a believer IS.

I embrace truth wherever I find it, and it never ceases to amaze me how the nuggets of truth I find in other belief systems and practices align, in spirit, with Biblical Scripture.

If one were to use traditional Christianity and the literal interpretation of the Bible as a yardstick, then yes, my New Age beliefs would appear contradictory to Christianity.

Thanks for your question! Feel free to follow up and ask me more questions if this post hasn't answered them. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

#147547 - 04/29/03 01:07 AM Re: question  
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Obviously, the fact that you have strayed far from the teachings of Christ is evidence that even though you professed to have knowledge of His word, you had no relationship with Him. You simply were going through the motions in order to go with the crowd at the time. I bet this gave you some personal satisfaction and that you gained some kind of prideful existence for a while. But, as is evident when you are false, you were found out and your faith in yourself faied. Another example of what the lack of an intimate relationship with Christ accomplishes.

Also, the fact that your were some kind of "minister' is evidence that you admit to being a "false prophet". I feel sorry for your poor departed husband and can only hope that he at least had the forethought to give his life to Christ in spite of your wrong leadership.

The only true path of spiritual satisfaction and peace for our souls is through a relationship with Jesus Christ, and through Him, acceptance with the Father. It's in the knowing .... in the rest that is achieved when we have that assurance of our eternal destiny ...research that... If you want to talk about what that is...email me...

I am the Bella Online Christianity Host. come by sometime...

#147548 - 04/29/03 06:33 AM Re: question  
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Jenna, your post is a beautiful example as to why I left traditional Christianity with its fear based dogma and self-righteous venom. Perhaps you could "research" that the only people that Jesus ever slammed were self-righteous, religious Pharisees.

I don't know you and have never dialogued with you. If you want to spew your vitriol in the name of Christ as a lifestyle, then by all means do so. But don't do it on this board as a fellow Host.

#147549 - 04/30/03 12:32 AM Re: question  
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So, to get back to the topic Janet <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> , I was wondering, was your change of religion gradual? Or did an event cause you to change right away?

#147550 - 04/30/03 02:07 PM Re: question  
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I feel sorry for your poor departed husband and can only hope that he at least had the forethought to give his life to Christ in spite of your wrong leadership.


I apologize for this statement. I in no way intended for this to hurt you. If you felt attacked, that was not my purpose. I myself have felt attacked for my beliefs and I rejoice.

#147551 - 05/01/03 05:35 AM Re: question  
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Jenna, considering your manner of speaking and attitude, I have to wonder if in fact you were attacked because of that, and NOT your beliefs. Many Christians hide under the "I count it all joy to suffer for the name of Christ", when they're really "suffering" as a reaping process of what they have sown. Calling me a false prophet, saying You simply were going through the motions in order to go with the crowd at the time. I bet this gave you some personal satisfaction and that you gained some kind of prideful existence for a while. when you have NO idea about me, my life and what I've been through..., etc. is most certainly attacking. Personally, I think you're just sorry you got "caught".

Perhaps you don't realize this, but when we judge another, we are really saying more about ourself than the person we are judging. I'm obviously a mirror for you, and you saw something you didn't like. But, like trying to wipe toothpaste off the mirror when it's really on our mouth, judgment and accusation not only doesn't work, it disempowers self and others. What pushes our buttons about another is really something we don't like/won't own about ourselves. A shadow.

Hi Jessica! Boy, that's a long story! I was offline for a day, and need to get some things done, but I promise a reply!

Blessings,
Janet

#147552 - 05/04/03 06:48 PM Re: question  
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hello This is the first time I've ever visited a message board, but I was intrigued by the messages here. I have been to the Christianity host's site and have found that this Host knows her stuff. I have also visited your New age site. i read your bio and agree with the Christianity Host. I am also impressed with her apology for saying things about your late husband. I don't know what you mean by "caught" but this quote I felt was uncalled for: "I don't know you and have never dialogued with you. If you want to spew your vitriol in the name of Christ as a lifestyle, then by all means do so."
If you've read any of her articles then you would know that this Host is just standing by what is written on her site. Your site doesn't really have anything to do with "New Age" stuff but her site is consistant with what she has written here. Just my opinion....

#147553 - 05/04/03 07:17 PM Re: question  
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While I still esteem the Bible and follow Christ, I realized that there was much more to the Bible, Jesus, and spirituality than mainstream Christianity and Bible College taught me.

and

If one were to use traditional Christianity and the literal interpretation of the Bible as a yardstick, then yes, my New Age beliefs would appear contradictory to Christianity.


seems to me you can't be on the fence. You either are or your not. I doubt you know more than God....

In the past, I have taught and ministered at various Pentecostal and Charismatic churches as an ordained minister, and am recognized as a Teacher and Prophet. (Ephesians 4:11-13).

While my upbringing is Christian, I incorporate other belief systems into my path, believing that truth can be found all over the place in this New Age. I have studied and practiced various disciplines that fall within the term "New Age", including Astrology, Tarot, Flower Essences, Herbs, energy medicine, chakras, Toltec shamanism, Archetype work, meditation, etc.

So you do think that you can mold other religions and Christianity into the same ball of wax...you think you are smarter than the average Joe and your mission is to bring it all together for us "dumb dannies"...is that right?

Perhaps one day we, as the corporate body of humanity, will die to the illusion of separateness and be reborn into the totality of Light, Love, Unity, and Life. This is the ultimate message of Death, The Sun, and regeneration, especially as seen in the death and resurrection of Christ.

You seem to think that you are more enlightened than God and other Bible scholers like Billy Graham or Charles Stanley. You have taken sacred scripture and put your own spin on it and tried to push it off on all of us as though you are more educated than anyone else.

Like I said...you can't be of two minds you either are or your not...and from what i can tell you have no idea whether you are anything. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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#147554 - 05/05/03 09:12 PM Re: question  
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Hello tom2492002,

Thanks for stopping by. Whether Jenna "knows her stuff" or stands by her beliefs seems irrelevant. That's not in question. I just thought it curious that, after only being a Host here for only one month, she would come over here and post what she did. Not introduction, no questions about beliefs...etc.


Hello tatertot,

I answered the question that Franki posed, to the best of my ability and from my POV. I don't know where your accusastions of "dumb dannies", "smarter than the average Joe", "know more than God", etc. come from. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I'm familiar with Charles Stanley and Billy Graham. They are only 2 ministers within Christianity. Christianity has been at odds internally for many, many years. Protestants vs. Catholics, Calivinists vs. Armenianism, Pre-Trib. Vs. Post Trib. Vs. No Trib...on and on the theological polemics go. Theology and hermeneutics are big disciplines to tackle, and philosophers, ministers, and theologians, as well as lay people, have been doing that for years.

But what has it accomplished? Christians are more divided than ever, even going so far to call other Christians "not Christians" because their theology is different. Some theological persuasions are more literal, and take the Bible at face value. Others see the Bible more symbolically. Still others actually examine the orginal language that the Bible was written in as well as other hermeneutical "tricks" to get to the meaning of Scripture.

Since the questions that have been wrangled over for centuries are still not answered among warring theological factions or denominations, I doubt it will be resolved here, either. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Anyone can use the "letter" of the Bible to "kill" and to say this person isn't a Christian, or what have you.

Here are just a few Christian websites that don't go along with the traditional belief of a literal, fiery hell.

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