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#138553 04/22/03 11:53 AM
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A review of the picture book What is God? is new at the Library Sciences site.

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#138554 04/26/03 05:53 PM
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If you'd like a view of a non-religious person, then to me God is something of a much superior order to anything known to a human. It hardly has any physical attributes and no dimensions are applied to it. It is the cause of existence of all the universe. It definitely is not a kind old man that helps people if they ask hard enough.

#138555 04/26/03 06:16 PM
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Would you describe yourself as a deist?

Would you be troubled by the book's statement?:

If everything is God,
Then I am God,
You are God,
All of us are God!

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Never heard of them, but at first glance they seem to say something like what I say. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

God exists in a different dimension. You know, in the movies they talk about aliens or ghosts or other spirits which are said to exist "in different dimension". Take this concept, multiply it by infinity and that's more or less what I think the God is.

Humankind has long since discovered the physical nature of most of the events that lead to birth of religion in the first place (lightning, storms, earthquakes, etc ...). God has little to do with this.

I know, it is nice to believe in something, to know that something big and powerfull watches over you. It is a long tradition. And it wouldn't be bad, IF it hadn't lead to mental illnesses, great disappointments and wars. People are more or less educated nowadays and God should also have one definition in all minds and cease to be a fairy tale omnipotent being.

People cannot and will hardly ever be able to know the essence of God, but it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I believe in "my God". All religions look like a big, big cheat to me. Please do not be offended.

As for the quote ... it may actually have a reason in it. Maybe this hardly understandable and not tangible thing, people use to call soul is that small trace God has left when creating world. ALL nature has this part to some degree.

#138557 04/28/03 08:54 PM
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I know, it is nice to believe in something, to know that something big and powerfull watches over you. It is a long tradition. And it wouldn't be bad, IF it hadn't lead to mental illnesses, great disappointments and wars. People are more or less educated nowadays and God should also have one definition in all minds and cease to be a fairy tale omnipotent being.

It always amazes me when someone tries to put God into terms their small ineffectual human minds can compute. Isn't it possible that there is something bigger than all this? What will you do when it's time to die? who are you if your only dust? What is the meaning of life without God? Hmmm....? Any answers?..... We'll see....

People cannot and will hardly ever be able to know the essence of God, but it doesn't mean anything.

Does this mean that all the scholers and all the evangelists and all the great minds of the past were not as inteeligent as you are? For crying out loud.... What are you trying to show? Your ignorance? What about Mother Teresa? Does this mean that her life had no purpose? Or how about the fact that the history of the world is based on the workings of God? That the very calendar that we track our lives by is null and void? Why do we have "God" inscribed on our national currency? Is it because the majority of the people in this ation are completly deluded? Or maybe are you? Hmmm....... thoughts to ponder...

I am the Bella Online Christianity Host. Come by the site sometime....

#138558 04/29/03 11:38 AM
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The problem with attempting to write down what God is or is not is putting the infinite into a finite form.

#138559 04/30/03 07:31 AM
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Errr, such an emotional reply, I almost feel obliged by ... by noone, but myself to reply accordingly.

First - I do believe in God, but not your God, not the one Bible promotes. You can fairly easyly get to the conclusion that something way beyond the dimension we live in exists. It's quite accessable by reasoning.

However, I find religion (in particular Christian) to be the greatest trick invented by men to fool around masses, even greater than democracy. But let me start from the beginning:

What will you do when it's time to die? who are you if your only dust? What is the meaning of life without God? Hmmm....? Any answers?..... We'll see....

When the time comes to die, I'll die with no fear. I do not need to believe in God to die decently. And what do you think happens when you're going to die? You'll walk up an infinite white marble stairs to arive at golden gates where God will decide whether you're going to live on clouds or go down to burn in hell?

You must take into consideration that back when Bible and the whole Cristian belief started, people were poor, uneducated and not too intellectual, quite a good state to subordinate them, don't you think? And what better tool can you have than an omnipotent being that watches over you and will punish you if do bad. "Do this and God will be pleased and you'll earn your place in heavens!". "God says that you must give all you have to church for the better cause, disobey and you'll suffer in hell!".

History of the world is based on workings of God ...? Whatever you mean by that. But yes, God and religion have indeed greatly influenced the history of the world. All the wars because of religion (including Cristian), slaughter of the "unrighteous ones", etc. Nobody wanted to loose such a great device - religion. So it was always protected and fomented. People believe in God? - Good, then lets give them God, plenty of it ... a church in almost every single town, to make sure they don't loose their faith. No food to eat, no place to live? - This is nothing my sons, you suffer to live in a better world. Have faith and all will go well. Let's even "inscribe God" in your national currency!

Doesn't it seem a bit weird to you, that God made appearence in time when people became reasonably civilized, but not in time when they could scientificly reason? That ever since, there was no God, no signs of him? Everything that was after this is plenty of talking and writings to make sure that this idea makes deep roots in human civilization. Why don't you reject the possibility that everything could be staged by powerfull, behind the curtain people?

And what about all the different religions? There are 1'5 billions of Chinese who hardly belive in Jesus Christ, they have their own God. What are they? - Unrighteous ones too?

It is odd to see adult people to so strongly belive in a fairy tail that has so many contradictions in it, that it will shatter within one touch.

Also, tell me, if God exists and is so good, why is it that this world is SO FULL of s**t (for the lack of a better word), suffering and injustice? Don't give me the standard "It is the punishment for our sins ..." thing.

As for people doing good things because of their faith in God - it's a different subject, but it doesn't mean that God exists.

People are tought by other people who have also been tought before to believe in God from their childhood. That's why religion is alive.

Give me a single good reason or argument to believe in your God, please. Something that could withstand any serious criticism and not all that you've mentioned. I've given you plenty of opposite.

Now you may start flaming me down to HELL ...

#138560 05/04/03 05:13 PM
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OK, Ok...I'm inmy place now...I know that sometimes I come off strongly and forget that others don't share my beliefs. I admit it puzzles me. My opinion is that in this world that is full of all kinds of suffering and turmoil, how anyone can believe we are all alone? I find it comforting to know that in the end my faith in the one true God will sustain me and I will be with him in heaven. I have peace and feel loved and accepted. I find it very hard to achieve this without my Lord and Savior. I've tried and failed many times. But through my relationship with Jesus Christ I ma a new person...one who can admit when they've gone off the deep end with something and hurt someone else. I do view those without Christ as lost...but that doesn't mean they are better than me..in no way could that be possible...I am the worst. Instead it motivates me to deepen my relationship with Jesus on their behalf. I know it baffles people to hear me saying things that seem to be against what they believe individually, it's just who I am now. in my past I may have blasted someone just like me with the same kinds of things others blast me with. Now i am free to let them and not get angry...maybe just impatient. Like I said, it puzzles me that some poeple don't share my beliefs...lol....I'll try to not come off so strongly in the future.

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...but that doesn't mean they are better than me..in no way could that be possible...I am the worst.


Oops..I goofed...I meant to say "but that doesn't mean I'm better than they are..."

Please forgive me! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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lol Aintd! when I think of the number of fiesty debates we've had.... I'm begining to think you should change your name to devils advocate lol! Good points by the by....

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<img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I might not be the most popular member around, but I'm attracted to discussing that which really has not been solved up to date. What's the meaning in discussing how wet the water is? - Everyone knows it and if you don't go and see for yourself and if you still reject this fact then you are an ignorant idiot.

Going back to the God issue. I think it is important to go step by step to know whether you'll go to heavens, to some place else or even nowhere at all. You must all admit that the thing that we call "soul" is incredible and compared to the regular stuff we see each day is of a much higher order. Now we must ask ourselves whether a soul can die. Given that it inhabits a human body which is nothing more than a complex combination of organic tissues, I believe it is safe to say that the body and the "soul" (and mind for that matter) are not completely linked into one. There is a strong correlation, but it is not the unity. And although Plato's ideas were later rejected, this concept actually adjusts itself pretty well to his theories (About the soul, the body and that little thing in the head (don't know the name in english) which joins the two). When a body dies through natural causes, be that age or an accident, what happens to the soul?

I would say that it remains alive because it is not physical and not age, nor accidents affect it (or maybe a body is a must for it to live? - what then? - reencarnation? - this is a different approach). Besides, it is hard to resist the thousands and thousands of cases realated to ghosts, spirits and similar. I would say that souls stay alive but living an invisible for us life, cannot connect with humans in any way (except for the anomalies with ghosts ...).

I cannot go any further ... my point is that souls remain in universe but noone cares about them. They continue to live as they did before, only wihtout physical interaction with the world.

As for the Bible and God, I find it more like a way for people to have something that won't "leave you alone" in the most difficult moment. And though God will hardly help you with any actions, you will feel more courageous and straight having in mind that he's behind you.

Noone is better nor worse by criteria of religion. Some believe in one God, others in another, others don't believe at all (ignorant people if they think that planet Earth is all there is), but it's more a question of education and traditions than scientific knowledge. You can't say "What an idiot you are, you believe in God!" meaning that the person you speak to is stupid and ignorant, but you may show your scepticism when someone starts promoting an idea of that God exists in this form, that he did this, he did that, there's book that has recorded all that, etc ... Religion is like art, a very personal thing that cannot be quantified by means of scientific approach.

These are more or less my ideas on the subject so far.

I would also like apologize myself for being a bit to straightforward with the statements not taking into account the inner state of the people.

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