but there are still browsers and systems out there that have difficulty with lots of tables.
I can't say I'm a table junkie, but I'd say that the majority of the browsers out there can deal with them, and every page on my site has at least one table on it. It's the only way to place things exactly where you want them on the page. To the browsers that can't read them, I say,'get over it, get a new browser.' I'd say tables are here to stay.
Personally, I hate frames. Properly used they can be nice within limits, but to me, they just cut down visible real estate.